In Defense of Marriage

[Storm]

HeatherAnn, you do realize that homosexuality is not equivalent to anal sex, right?

 

[Penumbra]

I hope "general religious debate" doesn't mean I can post only if it goes along with popular opinion.

It amazes me that people are so upset about some things that affect others, but don't give a rat's whatever about things like health consequences of homosexual sex & about the consequences for children of gay marriage. Do you realize there are health risks involved, not just statisically (STDs & AIDS) but also anal fissures, bacterial infection, anal cancer & colon rupture? If 2 people understand these real risks & want to do it anyway - fine - but when kids get involved (as in legalizing gay marriage) I have a problem with it. Why would you want children to be adopted by couples practicing unhealthy practices when children imitate their parents?

People think they're being nice to cater to the sexual deviations of others. But it's not really nice, in the long run. Laws are intended for the good of all, especially future society - CHILDREN.

Children have a RIGHT to be raised by the 2 opposite sexes that created them.
Gay marriage denies them either a mother or father, devaluing both parents, saying mothers or fathers are not really important. 2 dads or 2 moms are fine - when studies & common sense show that children need BOTH a mother & father...

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
Children Need Both A Mother And A Father

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArch ... I0804G.pdf

"Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links with Children's Peer Competence"
Pettit, Gregory S.; Brown, Elizabeth Glyn; Mize, Jacquelyn; Lindsey, Eric
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=EJ563106

"Why Children Need a Mother and a Father" Bill Muehlenberg
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2010/10/ ... -a-father/


Gay couples already have rights under laws like common law marriage and cohabitation agreements...
Common-law marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cohabitation agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Even if no contract is written up, they have rights.
Yet even more rights are extended if a couple creates a contract when they begin living together.

There is no need to redefine marriage to include sexual deviations.
In fact, doing so will harm many - including homosexuals (& others who are persuaded to be homosexual) by condoning statistically harmful behavior and by not giving children what they need most: BOTH a mother and father.

Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school. Yet, in places where gay marriage has been enacted, these rights have been infringed upon...
*Freshmen were told not to tell their parents about a pro-gay seminar & were required to sign a confidentiality agreement (Derrfield, Illinois Mar. 2007).
*In March, 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
*In October, 2008, First graders (6 year-old students) were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding.
*In Oct 2008, a Hayward CA public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Normalizing & even encouraging children to explore homosexuality obviously causes more to experiment with homosexuality.
"The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexuality Education in Schools... This report is part of an integrated strategy to inform and educate parents, students and school officials across the nation of its contents and of their respective rights and duties. It has documented the concern that the health of students in many schools across the country may have been compromised and their First Amendment rights may have been denied."
http://www.afamichigan.org/images/Legal ... 200504.pdf

Also, others' rights have been infringed upon in favor of supporting gay rights.
*In April 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony.
*In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the U of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
*An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 even violently attacked & injured a Proposition supporter in Oct. 2008.
*On November 19, 2008, eHarmony, a Christian-based matching service was forced by New Jersey's Division on Civil Rights to provide website matching services for homosexuals.

If I find your religion to be problematic and less than optimal for societal health, is it cool if I outlaw it?

After all, if I view it as an unhealthy lifestyle, and children are involved, I should get involved, right?

 

[1137]

I hope "general religious debate" doesn't mean I can post only if it goes along with popular opinion.

It amazes me that people are so upset about some things that affect others, but don't give a rat's whatever about things like health consequences of homosexual sex & about the consequences for children of gay marriage. Do you realize there are health risks involved, not just statisically (STDs & AIDS) but also anal fissures, bacterial infection, anal cancer & colon rupture? If 2 people understand these real risks & want to do it anyway - fine - but when kids get involved (as in legalizing gay marriage) I have a problem with it. Why would you want children to be adopted by couples practicing unhealthy practices when children imitate their parents?

People think they're being nice to cater to the sexual deviations of others. But it's not really nice, in the long run. Laws are intended for the good of all, especially future society - CHILDREN.

Children have a RIGHT to be raised by the 2 opposite sexes that created them.
Gay marriage denies them either a mother or father, devaluing both parents, saying mothers or fathers are not really important. 2 dads or 2 moms are fine - when studies & common sense show that children need BOTH a mother & father...

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
Children Need Both A Mother And A Father

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArch ... I0804G.pdf

"Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links with Children's Peer Competence"
Pettit, Gregory S.; Brown, Elizabeth Glyn; Mize, Jacquelyn; Lindsey, Eric
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=EJ563106

"Why Children Need a Mother and a Father" Bill Muehlenberg
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2010/10/ ... -a-father/


Gay couples already have rights under laws like common law marriage and cohabitation agreements...
Common-law marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cohabitation agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Even if no contract is written up, they have rights.
Yet even more rights are extended if a couple creates a contract when they begin living together.

There is no need to redefine marriage to include sexual deviations.
In fact, doing so will harm many - including homosexuals (& others who are persuaded to be homosexual) by condoning statistically harmful behavior and by not giving children what they need most: BOTH a mother and father.

Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school. Yet, in places where gay marriage has been enacted, these rights have been infringed upon...
*Freshmen were told not to tell their parents about a pro-gay seminar & were required to sign a confidentiality agreement (Derrfield, Illinois Mar. 2007).
*In March, 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
*In October, 2008, First graders (6 year-old students) were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding.
*In Oct 2008, a Hayward CA public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Normalizing & even encouraging children to explore homosexuality obviously causes more to experiment with homosexuality.
"The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexuality Education in Schools... This report is part of an integrated strategy to inform and educate parents, students and school officials across the nation of its contents and of their respective rights and duties. It has documented the concern that the health of students in many schools across the country may have been compromised and their First Amendment rights may have been denied."
http://www.afamichigan.org/images/Legal ... 200504.pdf

Also, others' rights have been infringed upon in favor of supporting gay rights.
*In April 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony.
*In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the U of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
*An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 even violently attacked & injured a Proposition supporter in Oct. 2008.
*On November 19, 2008, eHarmony, a Christian-based matching service was forced by New Jersey's Division on Civil Rights to provide website matching services for homosexuals.

What should we do with orphans, or simply kids up for adoption? They cannot be with their birth parents. Why do only heterosexuals have a right to be with the one they love? What if you were not allowed to marry or have kids? I'll also add that I find it disgusting you'd selfishly want to bring kids into this world, especially when so many are already stuck here without love. You have a strange moral compass.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I hope "general religious debate" doesn't mean I can post only if it goes along with popular opinion.

It amazes me that people are so upset about some things that affect others, but don't give a rat's whatever about things like health consequences of homosexual sex & about the consequences for children of gay marriage. Do you realize there are health risks involved, not just statisically (STDs & AIDS) but also anal fissures, bacterial infection, anal cancer & colon rupture? If 2 people understand these real risks & want to do it anyway - fine - but when kids get involved (as in legalizing gay marriage) I have a problem with it. Why would you want children to be adopted by couples practicing unhealthy practices when children imitate their parents?

People think they're being nice to cater to the sexual deviations of others. But it's not really nice, in the long run. Laws are intended for the good of all, especially future society - CHILDREN.

Children have a RIGHT to be raised by the 2 opposite sexes that created them.
Gay marriage denies them either a mother or father, devaluing both parents, saying mothers or fathers are not really important. 2 dads or 2 moms are fine - when studies & common sense show that children need BOTH a mother & father...

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
Children Need Both A Mother And A Father

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArch ... I0804G.pdf

"Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links with Children's Peer Competence"
Pettit, Gregory S.; Brown, Elizabeth Glyn; Mize, Jacquelyn; Lindsey, Eric
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=EJ563106

"Why Children Need a Mother and a Father" Bill Muehlenberg
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2010/10/ ... -a-father/


Gay couples already have rights under laws like common law marriage and cohabitation agreements...
Common-law marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cohabitation agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Even if no contract is written up, they have rights.
Yet even more rights are extended if a couple creates a contract when they begin living together.

There is no need to redefine marriage to include sexual deviations.
In fact, doing so will harm many - including homosexuals (& others who are persuaded to be homosexual) by condoning statistically harmful behavior and by not giving children what they need most: BOTH a mother and father.

Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school. Yet, in places where gay marriage has been enacted, these rights have been infringed upon...
*Freshmen were told not to tell their parents about a pro-gay seminar & were required to sign a confidentiality agreement (Derrfield, Illinois Mar. 2007).
*In March, 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
*In October, 2008, First graders (6 year-old students) were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding.
*In Oct 2008, a Hayward CA public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Normalizing & even encouraging children to explore homosexuality obviously causes more to experiment with homosexuality.
"The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexuality Education in Schools... This report is part of an integrated strategy to inform and educate parents, students and school officials across the nation of its contents and of their respective rights and duties. It has documented the concern that the health of students in many schools across the country may have been compromised and their First Amendment rights may have been denied."
http://www.afamichigan.org/images/Legal ... 200504.pdf

Also, others' rights have been infringed upon in favor of supporting gay rights.
*In April 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony.
*In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the U of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
*An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 even violently attacked & injured a Proposition supporter in Oct. 2008.
*On November 19, 2008, eHarmony, a Christian-based matching service was forced by New Jersey's Division on Civil Rights to provide website matching services for homosexuals.

So, do you feel North Carolina should propose an Amendment to their state Constitution banning anal sex?

Oh wait, the Supreme Court has struck down all those laws.

Your objection is with anal sex. Guess what Lesbians do not have anal sex. Not all gay men have anal sex. And, some heterosexual couples do engage in anal sex.

In other words, your "anal sex" augment is faulty and has nothing to do with marriage.

As for children of same sex couples, the only danger they are exposed to is the bigotry thrown at them. The same danger that children of mixed race couples face unfortunately.
I have a biological daughter being raised by a lesbian couple. Yes, I was the donor. She is in kindergarten now, reading at a second grade level. She is well adjusted and has absolutely no social problems. Lets hope she never faces any from the bullies and bigots of this world.

 

[HeatherAnn]

HeatherAnn, you do realize that homosexuality is not equivalent to anal sex, right?

I never implied it was.
I wrote... "health consequences of homosexual sex."
Gay marriage involves couples of homosexual men, who engage in homosexual sex, including (but not limited to) anal sex, which has health risks, even in 2 healthy males.

 

[tumbleweed41]

But the real question of the OP, HeatherAnn


Does, or will, a same sex marriage threaten your marriage in any way?

 

[Storm]

I never implied it was.
I wrote... "health consequences of homosexual sex."
Gay marriage involves couples of homosexual men, who engage in homosexual sex, including (but not limited to) anal sex, which has health risks, even in 2 healthy males.

You never heard of lesbians? You know for a fact that all gay males engage in anal sex? Heterosexuals never do?

Guess what, kiddo: homosexual sex isn't anal sex, either.

And even if you had a point with that, it would be a hypocritical one. Unless you support banning the marriages of smokers, the obese, and people who don't exercise, as well.

 

[HeatherAnn]

If I find your religion to be problematic and less than optimal for societal health, is it cool if I outlaw it?

Yes! Especially if it taught children that anal sex was ok & denied them of the right of being raised by mothers and fathers.

After all, if I view it as an unhealthy lifestyle, and children are involved, I should get involved, right?

We have to pick our battles.
Personally, my priority is
1) Caring for my family
2) Sticking up for the many suffering (esp. children) - Almost 1Billion starving & millions of children painfully killed through abortion every year.
3) Standing up for TRUTH, especially when they affect children.

 

[Storm]

Yes! Especially if it taught children that anal sex was ok & denied them of the right of being raised by mothers and fathers.


We have to pick our battles.
Personally, my priority is
1) Caring for my family
2) Sticking up for the many suffering (esp. children) - Almost 1Billion starving & millions of children painfully killed through abortion every year.
3) Standing up for TRUTH, especially when they affect children.

So, how many of these children have you adopted?

 

[waitasec]

Personally, my priority is
1) Caring for my family
2) Sticking up for the many suffering (esp. children) - Almost 1Billion starving & millions of children painfully killed through abortion every year.
3) Standing up for TRUTH, especially when they affect children.

what makes you think homosexuals don't share those same priorities...?

 

[HeatherAnn]

What should we do with orphans, or simply kids up for adoption?

There are so many parents who want to adopt - there are waiting lists.
Foster care children also are cared for - & God bless those who have been through hell & back (both children & parents)!

Why do only heterosexuals have a right to be with the one they love?

You must not have read my entire post.
Those with homosexual preferences can be & are with the ones they are attracted to.
Although statistically, they change partners very often.
Still, there are already common law marriage rights & cohabitation agreements available.

I'll also add that I find it disgusting you'd selfishly want to bring kids into this world, especially when so many are already stuck here without love. You have a strange moral compass.

What?
You think it's "disgusting" & that I'm "selfish" to be a parent?
You don't know me - you don't know if I'm loving or not - why assume when you don't have a clue?
I'd say it is a strange moral compass to enlist logical fallacies like adhominem attacks to "debate."

 

[Storm]

There are so many parents who want to adopt - there are waiting lists.
Foster care children also are cared for - & God bless those who have been through hell & back (both children & parents)!

There are waiting lists for blonde, blue-eyed newborns who got top-notch prenatal care. Not so much for drug addicted or diseased children, or even any kid old enough to remember their birth parents.

Get your head out of the sand.

 

[Penumbra]

Yes! Especially if it taught children that anal sex was ok & denied them of the right of being raised by mothers and fathers.

What if it taught children that reducing the civil rights of others is ok?

I should probably fight to disallow such things, right?

We have to pick our battles.
Personally, my priority is
1) Caring for my family
2) Sticking up for the many suffering (esp. children) - Almost 1Billion starving & millions of children painfully killed through abortion every year.
3) Standing up for TRUTH, especially when they affect children.

Do you have a set of peer-reviewed scientific studies that show that children of homosexual couples perform worse in life than children of heterosexual couples?

 

[HeatherAnn]

But the real question of the OP, HeatherAnn


Does, or will, a same sex marriage threaten your marriage in any way?

MARRIAGE is legal mostly for the sake of CHILDREN, to ensure the care of them.

Children are the future of society, not a couple of adults.

 

[McBell]

They see it as a war on God. A war on the traditional religious view of marriage.

What it is doing is invalidating religious authority. They are fighting to keep Christian values relevant in American culture. The war as they see it is really on Christian values. Marriage holds a traditional Christian value for them.

They see it as a war on Christianity and are trying to promote it as such in order to motivate the Christian voter population against Obama.

If you are not Christian, probably not a lot of vested interest there.

I never did understand why a bunch of puny mortal humans have to do the "fighting" for an all powerful deity...

 

[Storm]

MARRIAGE is legal mostly for the sake of CHILDREN, to ensure the care of them.

Children are the future of society, not a couple of adults.

So, infertile people should be legally barred as well?

 

[Kathryn]

Heather Ann, I am a Christian. But my personal beliefs on issues of personal freedom do not dictate what I think others' free choices should be.

Laws should be to protect the rights of others, not to legislate morality.

 

[tumbleweed41]

3) Standing up for TRUTH, especially when they affect children.

I agree completely. Which is why I am absolutely in favor of same sex couples adopting and/or raising children. Especially those in need.

Were you aware that same sex couples are more likely to adopt special needs children than heterosexual couples?

Are you aware that, despite your biased sources to the contrary, the overwhelming majority of child psychologists consistently demonstrate that children raised by gay or lesbian parents "exhibit the same level of emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as children raised by heterosexual parents"?
APA SOURCE (PDA)

I would think, given theses facts, that you would endorse the official state sanctioning of same sex marriage in order to provide for a more stable household.

That is unless you care more about legislated dogma than children.

 

[waitasec]

i knew it!!!

people like HeatherAnn do exist....

 

[tumbleweed41]

MARRIAGE is legal mostly for the sake of CHILDREN, to ensure the care of them.

Children are the future of society, not a couple of adults.

So what do you think? No children after the first year, the heterosexual marriage is annulled.

Sound good? Makes about as much sense as banning same sex marriage.