Income Inequality.

[Heyo]

We do? You need to narrow down
finer than " things"

In cosmology we call it the Copernican Principle but in one way or another it is used in all of science. It is a direct result of the axiom of the universe being orderly.
It is therefore the duty of someone who assumes differences to show that they exist, not the burden of someone who assumes uniformity to prove that no differences exit.

 

[Kfox]

Obviously Koch Brothers, Warren Buffet and Larry Ellision. By a looong way. No brainer there. Why was this question even asked??

What do you base that on?

 

[Kfox]

Shifting the burden of proof?
We assume things to be the same no matter where or when until proven they are not. Part of that proof is identifying the variable that has to change to make something special.
E.g.: Water boils at 100° C. Which is true in London, Paris, New York, Rio, Capetown, Sidney and Tokyo. It is not true in Kathmandu. The variable is altitude.
What is special in the US?

The same reason police officers can walk around unarmed in those countries and do their jobs, but cannot here; CULTURE. They have a completely different culture in those countries than we have here. They do not have the racial diversity we have here, they don't have the illegal immigrant problem we have here, there are many reasons.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

In cosmology we call it the Copernican Principle but in one way or another it is used in all of science. It is a direct result of the axiom of the universe being orderly.
It is therefore the duty of someone who assumes differences to show that they exist, not the burden of someone who assumes uniformity to prove that no differences exit.

Well, is eveything ordely as the same for one and only one property, aspect, factor or whatever? And I just answer: No!

I mean I learned that years ago when a scientist claimed that the universe is one. I answered two.
Order doesn't mean everything is the same. In effect we are playing same, similar and/or differently.
Or if you like - keep it simple, but not too simple.

 

[Audie]

In cosmology we call it the Copernican Principle but in one way or another it is used in all of science. It is a direct result of the axiom of the universe being orderly.
It is therefore the duty of someone who assumes differences to show that they exist, not the burden of someone who assumes uniformity to prove that no differences exit.

Of course. As in my attempt to explain ice
core dating to @1213

You though are as noted with " things"
being too broad and general.

"One size fits all" social policy mandates
are not such a great idea

 

[Audie]

The same reason police officers can walk around unarmed in those countries and do their jobs, but cannot here; CULTURE. They have a completely different culture in those countries than we have here. They do not have the racial diversity we have here, they don't have the illegal immigrant problem we have here, there are many reasons.

Try to enforce Singapore's drug and littering laws in the USA

 

[Audie]

What do you base that on?

Ideology

 

[Kfox]

See, you're making a basic error. You think power and influence is about people knowing who you are and listening to you, personally. It's not that simple. It's about the media and political power you have. Joe Rogan may speak to millions of people, but do you think there is a "Joe Rogan lobby" currently haunting Washington, with the ear of several major lawmakers?

Is there a Kosh Brothers lobby haunting Washington with the ear of several major lawmakers? If so, who are these lawmakers?

Do you think entire states would flip out if Joe Rogan said he wanted to take his podcast overseas? How many media organizations get their instructions direct from Joe Rogan every morning?

Which states do you think would flip out if Warren Buffet took his headquarters overseas? Or is it already overseas? Who are these media organizations getting their instructions directly from Warren Buffet?

What's more, multi-millionaires make up around only 2% of the US population. Do you think that it's somehow a coincidence that every person you named above as having social power just so happens to belong in this same group that is comprised of only 2% of the population?

Millionaires make up a little over 15% of the US population

How Many Millionaires Are There in the U.S.? A Look at the Statistics

How many millionaires are in the U.S.? More than you probably realize—and most of them lead pretty normal lives. Find out more here.

www.ramseysolutions.com

 

[Kfox]

John Rockefeller (July 8, 1839 – May 23, 1937) planned to buy out as many other oil refineries as he could. To do this, he often used hardball tactics. In 1874, Standard started acquiring new oil pipeline networks. This enabled the company to cut off the flow of crude oil to refineries Rockefeller wanted to buy. When a rival company attempted to build a competing pipeline across Pennsylvania, Standard Oil bought up land along the way to block it. Rockefeller also resorted to outright bribery of Pennsylvania legislators. In the end, Rockefeller made a deal with the other company, which gave Standard Oil ownership of nearly all the oil pipelines in the nation.

William Randolph Hearst (April 29, 1863 – August 14, 1951) was a primary actor who caused the prohibition of 'Marihuana' through propaganda. Hemp was going to disrupt the textiles industry, and Hearst among other members of that industry...

Nelson Rockefeller (July 8, 1908 – January 26, 1979) was John's grandson is accredited for getting the "Rockefeller drug laws" passed in New York...

Don't count those examples as "today's economy"?

Here's a couple news headlines about Bill Gates (October 28, 1955 - Living:

AP analysis shows how Bill Gates influences education policy

SEATTLE (AP) — Billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates saw an opportunity with a new federal education law that has widespread repercussions for American classrooms.

apnews.com

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

I could probably keep listing examples all day long... This info took less than 10 minutes to procure.

Bill Gates is likely the most influential Billionaire in the World. Between the Gates Foundation and other organizations he is behind, he has made it very clear he uses his wealth to make a difference in the world. Though all billionaires can do this? The vast majority do not. Bill Gates is definitely an exception to the rule

 

[Heyo]

The same reason police officers can walk around unarmed in those countries and do their jobs, but cannot here; CULTURE. They have a completely different culture in those countries than we have here. They do not have the racial diversity we have here, they don't have the illegal immigrant problem we have here, there are many reasons.

I accept culture as a variable. And I accept that the US has a special culture. After all. the US is the most criminal culture on Earth (measured by per capita incarceration) and with a very wide margin to the Nordic countries.
But I'm not so sure about the causality. Isn't it possible to have a social community in the land of thieves and thugs or is the US the land of thieves and thugs because it has no social community?

 

[metis]

The idea that just because something that works in Denmark and Sweden, that it will work in the United States is an opinion; not a fact. If you disagree, provide the facts that prove it will work in this country as well.

Even if I wasted my time and did that, you'd likely either ignore it or just find some other lame excuse to blow it off without providing even one shred of evidence yourself. IOW, it would just be a waste of time and effort.

 

[Heyo]

Even if I wasted my time and did that, you'd likely either ignore it or just find some other lame excuse to blow it off without providing even one shred of evidence yourself. IOW, it would just be a waste of time and effort.

At least on him. It is often not the direct interlocutor who gets convinced in a debate but the audience. You won't convince the rich that capitalism has flaws. They have a vested interest not being convinced. And they have a vested interest in the public believing it also. The uninformed (or ill informed) masses are who keep on voting for the system that exploits them.
It is therefore important to make the proponents of the system look stupid or lying. Keep up the good work.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Is there a Kosh Brothers lobby haunting Washington with the ear of several major lawmakers? If so, who are these lawmakers?

You seriously don't know about the Koch family's influence on American politics?

Koch network - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which states do you think would flip out if Warren Buffet took his headquarters overseas?

Any state in which his businesses employ a huge number of their citizens.

Or is it already overseas? Who are these media organizations getting their instructions directly from Warren Buffet?

Again, you're hyper-focusing on specifics rather than acknowledging the broader point. Stop it.

Millionaires make up a little over 15% of the US population

How Many Millionaires Are There in the U.S.? A Look at the Statistics

How many millionaires are in the U.S.? More than you probably realize—and most of them lead pretty normal lives. Find out more here.

www.ramseysolutions.com

Hence why I said MULTI-millionaires.

Here's How Many Millionaires and Billionaires Live in the United States

The United States has the largest wealth market in the world. Explore the latest data on how many millionaires and billionaires call the United States home.

www.fool.com

Also, I would be careful about using that particular study, because... it's not a study. I've tried to investigate the Ramsey study multiple times and... Well, here it is:

https://cdn.ramseysolutions.net/media/company/pr/everyday-millionaires-research/national-study-of-millionaire-new.pdf?_ga=2.179747745.407458064.1687958764-234856444.1680252274&_gl=1*137hxkp*_ga*MjM0ODU2NDQ0LjE2ODAyNTIyNzQ.*_ga_02SXDH1H96*MTY4Nzk1ODc2NC4xLjEuMTY4Nzk1ODgwMC4yNC4wLjA.*_fplc*OXQ2RDZsdllhNUdMU0c3Uko4TSUyQlAlMkZRN01QUTNva0lhak1tU205Y2tHT2lPMXllYk1CRnUlMkZhOGtHSzdLemJKcGN3TmsxcEl2WTdWVUV3RVFXZFZ6bzJHTWZVdk56c1B5R1lRTmRLQzc4SUElMkJGQXYzYiUyQnBuZnNoblZ6d29JQSUzRCUzRA..

That's it.

Literally, that's the "study".

No breakdown, no analysis, no explanation of the terms used, no information whatsoever on the demographics surveyed or the questions asked.

It's less than useless.

 

[metis]

The uninformed (or ill informed) masses are who keep on voting for the system that exploits them.

Sooooooooooo very true, imo, as ignorance has its consequences. However, I do have to cut many some slack as economics can be very complicated as I discovered when I took my first economics course.

 

[sayak83]

What do you base that on?

Ability to influence policies of nations, banks, large international institutions like world banks, G20 as well as ability to hire and fire millions of people. A single sentence from any of these people can cause world economies to gain or loose billions of dollars. What are you even talking about in the comparison!

 

[metis]

Ability to influence policies of nations, banks, large international institutions like world banks, G20 as well as ability to hire and fire millions of people. A single sentence from any of these people can cause world economies to gain or loose billions of dollars. What are you even talking about in the comparison!

Or, as the old saying goes: "Money talks and..." we know how it finishes.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The same reason police officers can walk around unarmed in those countries and do their jobs, but cannot here; CULTURE. They have a completely different culture in those countries than we have here. They do not have the racial diversity we have here, they don't have the illegal immigrant problem we have here, there are many reasons.

Well the main difference between the UK and the USA would likely be your lax weapon ownership legislation which is more a USA anomaly than much else, but we probably have as much racial diversity here and immigrant problems, as does much of Europe, as the USA.

 

[Heyo]

Well the main difference between the UK and the USA would likely be your lax weapon ownership legislation which is more a USA anomaly than much else, but we probably have as much racial diversity here and immigrant problems, as does much of Europe, as the USA.

We don't have an immigrant problem, we have a xenophobic citizens problem.

 

[Mock Turtle]

We don't have an immigrant problem, we have a xenophobic citizens problem.

Not the way we manage such.

 

[Heyo]

Not the way we manage such.

Good for you.