Income Inequality.

[Kfox]

In my view, income inequality is mostly due to desire and effort. The are always exceptions, of course, but generally speaking the United States give a great opportunity for anyone to have a forward movement. I am speaking "generally" - there are factors that can be addressed in some cases to fix problems. Of course, single mothers and or dads is a great problem for income inequality.

I agree. All of the economically oppressed people I know got that way by having kids they could not afford. IMO having kids when you can't afford them has got to be the #1 reason people find themselves in trapped in poverty. And of course they blame everybody but themselves; they blame the white man, they blame the establishment, capitalism, corporations, everybody but them and the decisions they made.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A starter job is basically a job that will hire someone with no valuable skills, and teach them the skills while paying them to work. After a while, you can take those skill somewhere else that pays more money.

What skills di they teach?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I agree. All of the economically oppressed people I know got that way by having kids they could not afford. IMO having kids when you can't afford them has got to be the #1 reason people find themselves in poverty and unable to get out.

I don't have any kids.
You used that excuse previosuly and it was shot down.

 

[Kfox]

What skills di they teach?

See post #979

I don't have any kids.

I don't know you. But my point was directed at people who are unable to get out. For many years I was poor as well but I eventually got out due to refraining from making poor decisions that prevented me from climbing out (I believe staying outta jail/prison is a big one as well) Perhaps you will eventually make your way out as well. Just keep pushin' forward and don't give up. That's all I can tell ya; there are no guarantees in life, all I can tell ya is what worked for me, and hope it works for you.

 

[We Never Know]

A starter job is basically a job that will hire someone with no valuable skills, and teach them the skills while paying them to work. After a while, you can take those skill somewhere else that pays more money.

Sadly many think they are too good for a starter job and should be able to start higher even with no skills.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

See post #979

That doesn't describe any actual skills you learned.
Unless those skills are so basic it's incredible you actually had to learn them from a job.

I don't know you. But my point was directed at people who are unable to get out. For many years I was poor as well but I eventually got out due to refraining from making poor decisions that prevented me from climbing out (I believe staying outta jail/prison is a big one as well) Perhaps you will eventually make your way out as well. Just keep pushin' forward and don't give up. That's all I can tell ya; there are no guarantees in life, all I can tell ya is what worked for me, and hope it works for you.

Yeah, people my age usually start looking towards retirement and making sure they're on track for that. But me? I'm still waiting for someone to give me a chance in a job I'm able to do and actually hire me.

 

[We Never Know]

See post #979

I don't know you. But my point was directed at people who are unable to get out. For many years I was poor as well but I eventually got out due to refraining from making poor decisions that prevented me from climbing out (I believe staying outta jail/prison is a big one as well) Perhaps you will eventually make your way out as well. Just keep pushin' forward and don't give up. That's all I can tell ya; there are no guarantees in life, all I can tell ya is what worked for me, and hope it works for you.

But but they gotta have that new iPhone to be cool. That's more important than being responsible

 

[Heyo]

Each case is different and I don't know you or how you came to your current place.

I can speak of my case and those who I have counseled.

When I was earning $300/ week raising 3 children (and sometimes more - extended family members younger that my wife and I) - it was a matter of spending less than what I made. That equated to $3 a week that went into savings. Budget included $3/week for dentist; $3/week for entertainment; and $3/week for clothing.

Hard work, faithfulness, consistency, promotion et al over the years and now our house is paid off and we have a retirement fund. Always an upward movement.

So, you were lucky to never experience something throwing you back, like an illness or so - but you just have enough to retire and Elon Musk has hundreds of billions. Why were you slacking so hard, or were it bad decisions?

 

[We Never Know]

Why?

Isn’t the penalty of low wages better than no wage at all?

What does age have to do with it? If you allow yourself to reach adulthood without any valuable skills to sell, why does this entitle you to more wages than a kid with equal skill level?

Story of my life. When I was a teenager, I was forced in a position that I could no longer live at home; I had to live on my own and I had no skills to sell. I got a part time job at McDonalds, and while there, there was a culture of other poor workers always looking for a room mate to share rent because nobody could afford rent by themselves. I joined 2 other guys who were renting a 2 bedroom house, they had the bedrooms and I slept on the couch. After a couple months I was able to demand pm shifts only at work allowing me to get a day part time job at the competitor restaurant down the road. Between both jobs, I worked around 60 hours per week giving me an income where I could afford a cheap apartment on my own and still put a little aside for savings. The skills I learned other than cook between the 2 jobs were register skills (allowing me to apply at grocery or department stores), janitorial skills (allowing me to apply as a janitor), shipping/receiving/inventory skills (allowing me to apply at warehouse). Nobody goes to school to get skills for these type of jobs, these type of skills come only from working starter jobs. Eventually I got a job at a warehouse that paid better than fast food jobs, and eventually got skills from that job allowing me to get move up financially from there.

"The skills I learned other than cook between the 2 jobs were register skills (allowing me to apply at grocery or department stores), janitorial skills (allowing me to apply as a janitor), shipping/receiving/inventory skills (allowing me to apply at warehouse)."

Register skills, cooking skills, janitorial skills, shipping/receiving/inventory skills...

Most of those skills would be over many people heads, even at CEO levels.

 

[We Never Know]

So, you were lucky to never experience something throwing you back, like an illness or so - but you just have enough to retire and Elon Musk has hundreds of billions. Why were you slacking so hard, or were it bad decisions?

Musk came from a wealthy family. He even dropped out of Stanford (pursuing a physics degree) and cashed in on the .com boom.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Register skills, cooking skills, janitorial skills, shipping/receiving/inventory skills...

You don't need a job to learn those. Cook and clean? I've been doing those since I was a little kid. Counting things and keeping track of them? Likewise. Shipping and recieving things? For many that's Christmas. Punching buttons where the only thijg to learn is where the buttons are? I first learnes how to do that as a kid on a typewriter.

 

[We Never Know]

Most of those you don't need a job to learn. Cook and clean? I've been doing those since I was a little kid. Counting things and keeping track of them? Likewise. Shipping and recieving things? For many that's Christmas. Punching buttons where the only thijg to learn is where the buttons are? I first learnes how to do that as a kid on a typewriter.

Cooking and cleaning at home isn't considered cooking or janitor job skills.
Keeping track of your hot wheels and counting change in your piggy bank isn't considered inventory job skills.
Mailing and receiving letters/swappind presents isn't considered shipping and receiving job skills.
Typing on a type writer isn't considered register skills.

By your reply I'm guessing you think they are and you are above those jobs and should start higher up.

 

[Heyo]

Musk came from a wealthy family. He even dropped out of Stanford (pursuing a physics degree) and cashed in on the .com boom.

And that entitles him to an income that is thousands of times higher than @Kenny's?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Cooking and cleaning at home isn't considered cooking or janitor job skills.

I've cooked and cleaned at home and work. There's no difference. A mop is still a mop and clean is still clean. And at home or a restaurant, 165 F is the safe/done tempure for many foods, amd cook for five minutes is still cook for five minutes.

Keeping track of your hot wheels and counting change in your piggy bank isn't considered inventory job skills.

I've done inventory. Thats basically all it is, especially if you're a low rank auditor who shows up, counts things and then goes home. Amd as I was a high ranked manager in that field, I know most people actually don't suck with numbers. Some are terrible, it's true, but I found in a large company there were only a few who actually sucked at it and would need someone to go check and verify their areas.

Mailing and receiving letters isn't considered shipping and receiving job skills.

I've done that too. Add some paperwork and it's no different. And when I did recieving at a restaurant, there was no training needed. Review the product, match it to the shipping slip, put it away.

Typing on a type writer isn't considered register skills.

Yet it's the same exact skills of dexterity and remembering where the buttons are.
Amd you'd probably be surprised if you were to ask a job coach or even some HR people. If it's the same basic skills and doing the same thing they do count it as experience. And as building and programing a robot is easy for me than getting a job, I have taken all the help I can get for that.

 

[We Never Know]

I've cooked and cleaned at home and work. There's no difference. A mop is still a mop and clean is still clean. And at home or a restaurant, 165 F is the safe/done tempure for many foods, amd cook for five minutes is still cook for five minutes.

I've done inventory. Thats basically all it is, especially if you're a low rank auditor who shows up, counts things and then goes home. Amd as I was a high ranked manager in that field, I know most people actually don't suck with numbers. Some are terrible, it's true, but I found in a large company there were only a few who actually sucked at it and would need someone to go check and verify their areas.

I've done that too. Add some paperwork and it's no different. And when I did recieving at a restaurant, there was no training needed. Review the product, match it to the shipping slip, put it away.

Yet it's the same exact skills of dexterity and remembering where the buttons are.
Amd you'd probably be surprised if you were to ask a job coach or even some HR people. If it's the same basic skills and doing the same thing they do count it as experience. And as building and programing a robot is easy for me than getting a job, I have taken all the help I can get for that.

None of what you just posted supports your claim of ..So what! Been doing that since I was a kid.

By your standards at 8 shoveling cow **** out of barns was janitorial skills
By 10 driving the tractor in the hay field was delivery skills
At 11-14 while bucking/stacking hay.. That was engineer and inventory skills(stacking hay so it won't fall down while counting bales).

Resume worthy skills lol. Just life to many people

 

[Kfox]

That doesn't describe any actual skills you learned.
Unless those skills are so basic it's incredible you actually had to learn them from a job.

You may not consider them skills, but when I put them down on an application, employers began to take my application more seriously.

 

[Kfox]

"The skills I learned other than cook between the 2 jobs were register skills (allowing me to apply at grocery or department stores), janitorial skills (allowing me to apply as a janitor), shipping/receiving/inventory skills (allowing me to apply at warehouse)."

Register skills, cooking skills, janitorial skills, shipping/receiving/inventory skills...

Most of those skills would be over many people heads, even at CEO levels.

Different jobs will require different type of skills

 

[We Never Know]

You may not consider them skills, but when I put them down on an application, employers began to take my application more seriously.

Exactly. You had job skills!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

None of what you just posted supports your claim of ..So what! Been doing that since I was a kid.

By your standards at 8 shoveling cow **** out of barns was janitorial skills
By 10 driving the tractor in the hay field was delivery skills
At 11-14 while bucking/stacking hay.. That was engineer and inventory skills(stacking hay so it won't fall down while counting bales).

Resume worthy skills lol. Just life to many people

Yeah, no, you're taking absurd stretches. Bailing hay (I grew up in the country and went to school with the muscles to show they've been it for awhile) is nothing like inventory.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You may not consider them skills, but when I put them down on an application, employers began to take my application more seriously.

I find it remarkable you had to learn them at a job.