Income Inequality.

[We Never Know]

Yeah, no, you're taking absurd stretches. Bailing hay (I grew up in the country and went to school with the muscles to show they've been it for awhile) is nothing like inventory.

Sure it is. Its keeping track of how many bales we baled vs put in the barn. Like you I did that as a kid

 

[Shadow Wolf]

None of what you just posted supports your claim of ..So what! Been doing that since I was a kid.

By your standards at 8 shoveling cow **** out of barns was janitorial skills
By 10 driving the tractor in the hay field was delivery skills
At 11-14 while bucking/stacking hay.. That was engineer and inventory skills(stacking hay so it won't fall down while counting bales).

Resume worthy skills lol. Just life to many people

And, serious. Doing it for pay or free at home, many skills it doesn't matter. Have 10 years of Microsoft Office experience for leasure but none at work? As long as you know what you're doing it doesn't matter.

 

[We Never Know]

And, serious. Doing it for pay or free at home, many skills it doesn't matter. Have 10 years of Microsoft Office experience for leasure but none at work? As long as you know what you're doing it doesn't matter.

Really??? Employers want job skills, not what I do to waste time at home skills

 

[lewisnotmiller]

You don't need a job to learn those. Cook and clean? I've been doing those since I was a little kid. Counting things and keeping track of them? Likewise. Shipping and recieving things? For many that's Christmas. Punching buttons where the only thijg to learn is where the buttons are? I first learnes how to do that as a kid on a typewriter.

That's pretty far from true. The general type of life skills you're talking about might be enough to fulfill the duties of a starter level job. But it's that more basic job which allows you to learn and experience the difference between the basic skills you are talking about and the commercial application of them.

It's problematic in my industry that many starter level jobs have been offshored or automated, so I'm not quite on the 'just get a basic job and work your way up' bandwagon. But I left the industry I had 2 degrees (and a job) in, and took an entry level job (basically reception) and worked my way up in a new industry from there, to where I am now (state manager). Took 20+ years, and the first few were a loooooong way from glamorous. Still, I can confidently say I actually do have skills in areas like logistics, inventory management, etc. To compare what I've developed over 20 years of very hard work to a kid getting Christmas presents is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Kfox]

I've cooked and cleaned at home and work. There's no difference. A mop is still a mop and clean is still clean. And at home or a restaurant, 165 F is the safe/done tempure for many foods, amd cook for five minutes is still cook for five minutes.

I've done inventory. Thats basically all it is, especially if you're a low rank auditor who shows up, counts things and then goes home. Amd as I was a high ranked manager in that field, I know most people actually don't suck with numbers. Some are terrible, it's true, but I found in a large company there were only a few who actually sucked at it and would need someone to go check and verify their areas.

I've done that too. Add some paperwork and it's no different. And when I did recieving at a restaurant, there was no training needed. Review the product, match it to the shipping slip, put it away.

Yet it's the same exact skills of dexterity and remembering where the buttons are.
Amd you'd probably be surprised if you were to ask a job coach or even some HR people. If it's the same basic skills and doing the same thing they do count it as experience. And as building and programing a robot is easy for me than getting a job, I have taken all the help I can get for that.

I'm not suggesting the skills I learned were anything complicated, I'm saying when you have a record of (for example) working a register at a restaurant consistently without the register being short of money, that is going to make your application look a lot better than other applicants who has no experience counting money but may be good at typing. All you need is for your application to stand out of the crowd.

 

[Kfox]

I find it remarkable you had to learn them at a job.

It's not always what you know, it's what you can prove you know. When you have a record of working at a specific job doing "X" type of work, that is gonna go a lot further than the next guy claiming he did that stuff at home, or on the farm with no record or proof of doing so.

 

[We Never Know]

It's not always what you know, it's what you can prove you know. When you have a record of working at a specific job doing "X" type of work, that is gonna go a lot further than the next guy claiming he did that stuff at home, or on the farm with no record or proof of doing so.

Exactly!!

Bob has a company opening for data analytist.

Person A turns in and application showing work done at job for a grocery chain for the last 1.5 years.

Person B turns in an application saying for 13 years I have done things like this at home in my spare time to pass time.

Who's getting the job. Person A of course. Its called job experience.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not always what you know, it's what you can prove you know. When you have a record of working at a specific job doing "X" type of work, that is gonna go a lot further than the next guy claiming he did that stuff at home, or on the farm with no record or proof of doing so.

If you can show you have the skills then you have them. In fact, I would probably be hesitant to hire someone who had to learn such basic things at work as it raises questions of why. Like people who say those jobs teach to show up on time. Excuse me, you failed at doing that in high school?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Exactly!!

Bob has a company opening for data analytist.

Person A turns in and application showing work done at job for a grocery chain for the last 1.5 years.

Person B turns in an application saying for 13 years I have done things like this at home in my spare time to pass time.

Who's getting the job. Person A of course. Its called job experience.

Uh, no. Basic grocery store work isn't much with data entry. But if B can show extensive date entry, typing, spreadsheet and other related skills how do you reason that bagging groceries and stocking shelves will get the job?
And how many job coaches and HR people have you talked about this with?
Amd guess what? The inventory job I had, a part of the reason I got promoted was to take over the computer for large inventories because I done a bit of programming on my own time, at home, doing it for no pay and for no company.

 

[We Never Know]

If you can show you have the skills then you have them. In fact, I would probably be hesitant to hire someone who had to learn such basic things at work as it raises questions of why. Like people who say those jobs teach to show up on time. Excuse me, you failed at doing that in high school?

The funny thing as while you are dogging people for skills/jobs... You are the one who complains about not being hired/having a job/pay.
You think that might be a clue?

Oh I know.. Its them.

But again according to you its your bowed shins, your bad knee in high school, your autism, your shoulder, your short attention span, your etc etc.(I'm sure I'm missing some)

People without shins, knees and legs hold decent jobs.
People with autism hold decent jobs
People with disabilities hold decent jobs
People with ADHD hold decent jobs

But you always have an excuse.

I'm amazed with your short attention span you went to school and recieved degrees.
College required more attention than most jobs I've had.


Edit. All that is information you have put out here for all to see along with being a transgender female while still having male parts.
Its not a personal attack or a challenge, its repeating what you have put out here for all to see. (Even nonmembers can see it.)

I as well have many issues from being blown up and near dead. There is only one here I have actually talked to just a little about those things.

If you want my advice(you probably don't but oh well) don't put so much of your private life on a public forum.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The funny thing as while you are dogging people for skills/jobs... You are the one who complains about not being hired/having a job/pay.
You think that might be a clue?

It's not a lack of skills, I promise you that. I have skills I actually had to go to school for to be trained by someone established in the field and then prove myself by getting nationally certified.

People with autism hold decent jobs

Actually that's rare and only about 30% of us are gainfully employed. We do tend to do very well and even dominate the field (Eminem is a great example of this), but overall we aren't very good at self advocacy or self promotion, and those two things go a very long ways when it comes to getting employed.

 

[We Never Know]

It's not a lack of skills, I promise you that. I have skills I actually had to go to school for to be trained by someone established in the field and then prove myself by getting nationally certified.

Actually that's rare and only about 30% of us are gainfully employed. We do tend to do very well and even dominate the field (Eminem is a great example of this), but overall we aren't very good at self advocacy or self promotion, and those two things go a very long ways when it comes to getting employed.

I have a great nephew with autism. He is the computer/system programmer for a hospital. He makes six figures a year.

But what do I know? I worked two jobs many times, budgeting, paying bills, living on my own and doing without to get by but you think I'm privileged lol


Edit. With my great nephew who lives four hours away I was never around his autism much.
But my two year old grandson has been diagnosed with autism so I am learning more and hope to keep learning about it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have a great nephew with autism. He is the computer/system programmer for a hospital. He makes six figures a year.

Good for him. Doesn't change the fact those with autism generally and widely face great difficulty in gaining employment.

Finding employment as an autistic person

The most depressing period of my life was spent jobsearching, but I picked up a bunch of lessons from it. Here they are.

autisticnotweird.com

This isn't letting me cooy text, but it highlights 16% of thise with autism are working full time, 32% doing any kind of paid work, 77% want to work, amd to put it in perspective 47% of those with a disability are working.

Autistic Unemployment Paradox | Autism Foundation of Oklahoma

www.autismfoundationok.org

Autism Unemployment was approximately 85% in 2021, and research shows that Autistic individuals face higher unemployment rates and social isolation than other disabilities (Palumbo, 2021).

Autistic people still face highest rates of unemployment of all disabled groups | Autistica

Autistic people face lowest rage of employment out of any disability group

www.autistica.org.uk

Just 21.7% of autistic people are in employment.

Autism and Employment Statistics (Adults) - Update 2024

People being diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder has been a common occurrence since the 1990s. What also has been a […]

mydisabilityjobs.com

US Unemployment Rate: at least 85% of adults that are autistic are unemployed and have a college education.

As you can see the numbers aren't good for a group that is uniquely skilled and equiped amd able to surpass neurotypicals with ease in many areas.
And, believe it or not, professional me is more censored than I am here. I still throw **** thrown at me right back at the thrower, I won't hesitate to butt heads with a bad boss, but I'm generally well liked and highly dependable and frequently someone managers approach when they need something important done and done right. But that boss at Arbys who told me my hands and knees ans clean **** with a toothbrush? I walked out and she's the one who got in trouble and sent to another store since they couldn't fire her.

 

[Kenny]

I've been unable to get a job for over a year now. Applying for suitable, appropriate level jobs, even many I'm out in orbit overqualified for. No one has wanted to hire me. My situation is so bleak that it's kind of a good thing my shoulder got messed up as a result of covid so i can get on disabilities and never have to worry about getting hired again.

It sounds like you would be the exception and that is what disability support is for.

Sometimes we can retool into something else we like.

For Christians, prayer is powerful. No one in our church is without a job very long. At the scary point of "I THINK I'M GOING TO GET KICKED OUT". but something always comes through with a better pay at the end.

 

[Kenny]

I agree. All of the economically oppressed people I know got that way by having kids they could not afford. IMO having kids when you can't afford them has got to be the #1 reason people find themselves in trapped in poverty. And of course they blame everybody but themselves; they blame the white man, they blame the establishment, capitalism, corporations, everybody but them and the decisions they made.

Children are only with you for 21 years... plenty of time to prosper. Plus, you can't put a price on the joys of having children IMV.

 

[Kenny]

So, you were lucky to never experience something throwing you back, like an illness or so - but you just have enough to retire and Elon Musk has hundreds of billions. Why were you slacking so hard, or were it bad decisions?

I think that is an assumption. I have had difficulties - my hospital bill went to collections. Refinances my home twice in my life to get the equity out. Difficult decisions - two jobs at one time - but always pressing forward

And, remember, I said there are exceptions. I'm not painting with the brush that says "everybody".

I'm not jealous of Musk. Money can't buy happiness. How many wives has he had? He earned his billions and I say "all the power to you" for his great capacity.

 

[Kenny]

And that entitles him to an income that is thousands of times higher than @Kenny's?

And why should I be "entitled" because of his parents and his success? I'd like to think that we have personal responsibility.

How many people don't budget?
How many people play with consumer debt with interest?
How many people buy homes bigger that what they should?
How many people have two cars (financed), the latest I-phone (they couldn't afford), had great Christmases (that they paid on time), have all the movies they can gorge on (at $150/month - I turned that off decades ago),
et al?

 

[Pete in Panama]

Do you also look at how workers are treated?

And for those who won't watch videos (or videos where Ana's having a bad hair day) here's the Oxfam study they mention:

Where hard work doesn't pay off

An index of US labor policies compared to peer nations

www.oxfamamerica.org

Oxfam and your media has a fine agenda and I wish them all the best. Something we want to keep in mind is the fact that even though hard work doesn't pay all the time, hard work usually DOES pay off while self-pity rarely pays.

 

[Pete in Panama]

No, you are going wrong with your assumptions and telling me what to do as if you know my situation.

huh, you don't like what i say yet you're focused on and disagree w/ what I say. That may be a problem. We really need to pause or change gears, I'm finding your posts toxic.

 

[Heyo]

Oxfam and your media has a fine agenda and I wish them all the best. Something we want to keep in mind is the fact that even though hard work doesn't pay all the time, hard work usually DOES pay off while self-pity rarely pays.

Ora et labora? As long as it doesn't take up so much of your time that you don't see what's around you and doesn't keep you from fighting. Because that's why they want you to work hard. Remember that fighting for your rights also pays off in the long run. Workers around the world know that but somehow those in the US didn't get the memo.