Income Inequality.

[Pete in Panama]

Ora et labora? As long as it doesn't take up so much of your time that you don't see what's around you and doesn't keep you from fighting. Because that's why they want you to work hard. Remember that fighting for your rights also pays off in the long run. Workers around the world know that but somehow those in the US didn't get the memo.

Let's agree that we benefit when we both work hard and defend our rights. Something else, more folks prefer to move into the U.S. than people who want to leave.

 

[Kfox]

If you can show you have the skills then you have them.

But you don’t get the opportunity to show you have skills because in order to do that, they have to hire you.

In fact, I would probably be hesitant to hire someone who had to learn such basic things at work as it raises questions of why. Like people who say those jobs teach to show up on time. Excuse me, you failed at doing that in high school?

Really? So you going by my previous scenario; telling me if you are a grocery store manager who needs to hire someone to work cash register, and person A has a proven record from McDonalds with the ability to work register completing an average of 3 transactions per minute for 2 hours straight without any money shortages, and person B only has an unproven empty claim that he knows how to hunt and peck on a typewriter, you telling me person A is not going to look more favorable to you?

 

[Kfox]

Children are only with you for 21 years... plenty of time to prosper. Plus, you can't put a price on the joys of having children IMV.

Yeah; they say “baby” changes everything, and they do. Though time with them may be precious, they do have an affect on your ability to make money, the amount of time you spend at your job, what you spend your money on, and countless other economic decisions. That’s why proper planning is needed when having kids. I know too many guys who were forced into parenthood when all that they wanted was sex. Now they are forced to give up on their dreams, goals, and will be economically crippled for the rest of their lives.

 

[Kenny]

Yeah; they say “baby” changes everything, and they do. Though time with them may be precious, they do have an affect on your ability to make money, the amount of time you spend at your job, what you spend your money on, and countless other economic decisions. That’s why proper planning is needed when having kids. I know too many guys who were forced into parenthood when all that they wanted was sex. Now they are forced to give up on their dreams, goals, and will be economically crippled for the rest of their lives.

Can't deny those are issues. But it is all perspective and values. The one you presented gave the understanding that money and success is defined as "how much material wealth you accumulate". Children, then, cripple that paradigm for ones living. Reminds me of those who sacrificed their children to the god of Molec so that then they would prosper.

This is where my faith changes one's philosophy of life. I see children as crowns and not as baggage or hindering blocks. Sex is changed to intimacy in our faith which is more than just the physical aspect. Our position is that you can't serve money and God at the same time. That love for money creates many pains. Money doesn't warm feet at night.

So what you are offering is a different perspective of what success looks like. I have a different set of standards.

However, in the context of income inequality, even if you have children you can have upward mobility. If someone wants more money and less children, it is available to all -- the system allows for anyone to do just that.

 

[metis]

Can't deny those are issues. But it is all perspective and values. The one you presented gave the understanding that money and success is defined as "how much material wealth you accumulate". Children, then, cripple that paradigm for ones living. Reminds me of those who sacrificed their children to the god of Molec so that then they would prosper.

This is where my faith changes one's philosophy of life. I see children as crowns and not as baggage or hindering blocks. Sex is changed to intimacy in our faith which is more than just the physical aspect. Our position is that you can't serve money and God at the same time. That love for money creates many pains. Money doesn't warm feet at night.

So what you are offering is a different perspective of what success looks like. I have a different set of standards.

However, in the context of income inequality, even if you have children you can have upward mobility. If someone wants more money and less children, it is available to all -- the system allows for anyone to do just that.

Up until the last sentence, I was with you 100%. Ideally, everyone can lift themselves up by their own bootstraps, but in reality, it sometimes doesn't work out that way for some.

 

[Kfox]

Can't deny those are issues. But it is all perspective and values. The one you presented gave the understanding that money and success is defined as "how much material wealth you accumulate". Children, then, cripple that paradigm for ones living. Reminds me of those who sacrificed their children to the god of Molec so that then they would prosper.

This is where my faith changes one's philosophy of life. I see children as crowns and not as baggage or hindering blocks. Sex is changed to intimacy in our faith which is more than just the physical aspect. Our position is that you can't serve money and God at the same time. That love for money creates many pains. Money doesn't warm feet at night.

So what you are offering is a different perspective of what success looks like. I have a different set of standards.

However, in the context of income inequality, even if you have children you can have upward mobility. If someone wants more money and less children, it is available to all -- the system allows for anyone to do just that.

You’re giving examples of children being done right. The reply I made was in the context of single parenthood and poverty, and that is a very real thing. I was just pointing out how all too often, people have children they had no intention of having, having children when they are not prepared mentally or financially, and the results often leads to poverty

 

[Shadow Wolf]

huh, you don't like what i say yet you're focused on and disagree w/ what I say. That may be a problem. We really need to pause or change gears, I'm finding your posts toxic.

No, I just know my situation and you don't.

 

[PureX]

Up until the last sentence, I was with you 100%. Ideally, everyone can lift themselves up by their own bootstraps, but in reality, it sometimes doesn't work out that way for some.

The real question is why are we making it so incredibly hard for so many, while others get every advantage handed to them automatically. And none of this based on innate ability or even on the righteousness of their intent. Nope. It's all about their proximity to wealth.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And why should I be "entitled" because of his parents and his success? I'd like to think that we have personal responsibility.

How many people don't budget?
How many people play with consumer debt with interest?
How many people buy homes bigger that what they should?
How many people have two cars (financed), the latest I-phone (they couldn't afford), had great Christmases (that they paid on time), have all the movies they can gorge on (at $150/month - I turned that off decades ago),
et al?

Yeah, of course, poor people are just poor because they can't manage money.
No, that's just a myth people have to say and believe to keep a crap systemthat only benefits a few alive and flourishing.

It sounds like you would be the exception and that is what disability support is for.

Except disabilities doesn't pay the bills and overall, like most people, I'd rather not just sit on my *** amd collect a check.

For Christians, prayer is powerful. No one in our church is without a job very long. At the scary point of "I THINK I'M GOING TO GET KICKED OUT". but something always comes through with a better pay at the end.

Did you see the numbers I posted for those with autism? For very, very many of us that something better never happens.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But you don’t get the opportunity to show you have skills because in order to do that, they have to hire you.

Really? So you going by my previous scenario; telling me if you are a grocery store manager who needs to hire someone to work cash register, and person A has a proven record from McDonalds with the ability to work register completing an average of 3 transactions per minute for 2 hours straight without any money shortages, and person B only has an unproven empty claim that he knows how to hunt and peck on a typewriter, you telling me person A is not going to look more favorable to you?

Hunting and pecking means very poor typing skills amd it shouldn'tbe claimed as a skill so thats a crap example.

 

[Kfox]

Hunting and pecking means very poor typing skills amd it shouldn'tbe claimed as a skill so thats a crap example.

So are you suggesting if person B were good at typing you might consider hiring him?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So are you suggesting if person B were good at typing you might consider hiring him?

What's his WPM? If he has to hunt and peck it's not high enough to get a job where typing is a needed skill. He can't even type.

 

[Kfox]

What's his WPM? If he has to hunt and peck it's not high enough to get a job where typing is a needed skill. He can't even type.

You don't know WPM. Again; you are a manager hiring someone to be cashier at your grocery store (working with money) and the choices are a person who previously worked at McDonald as cashier (working with money) vs a person who claim to have learned how to type at home. Who do you hire?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You don't know WPM. Again; you are a manager hiring someone to be cashier at your grocery store (working with money) and the choices are a person who previously worked at McDonald as cashier (working with money) vs a person who claim to have learned how to type at home. Who do you hire?

If I need someone to type I'd sit them down and test them. Plenty of people learn how to type on their own. People can talk good and lie on resumes. So I'd test them and hire whoever's better.

 

[Kfox]

If I need someone to type I'd sit them down and test them. Plenty of people learn how to type on their own. People can talk good and lie on resumes. So I'd test them and hire whoever's better.

So in other words, you have no intention of answering my question, but would rather make up your own questions to answer. I think we're done here. Good day sir.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So in other words, you have no intention of answering my question, but would rather make up your own questions to answer. I think we're done here. Good day sir.

Where did I ask a question? Do you know what a question is?
You just gave bad examples and they failed. That is entirely on you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So in other words, you have no intention of answering my question, but would rather make up your own questions to answer. I think we're done here. Good day sir.

It may interest you to know that some companies are placing less value on what you tell them on a resume and interview and putting more emphasis on skills assessment. Which only makes sense as interviews don't reveal who is actually more skilled. In this case, someone with years of professional experience typing and can type at 80 WPM wouldn't be considered as skillfull as someone with no professional experience who clocks in at over 100 WPM.
Who would you rather hire in this case after you have accessed both applicants and have evidence that reveals the better typist?

 

[Kfox]

Where did I ask a question? Do you know what a question is?
You just gave bad examples and they failed. That is entirely on you.

On post #1022 I was very clear what the question is and you chose ignore my question and answer something else.

It may interest you to know that some companies are placing less value on what you tell them on a resume and interview and putting more emphasis on skills assessment. Which only makes sense as interviews don't reveal who is actually more skilled. In this case, someone with years of professional experience typing and can type at 80 WPM wouldn't be considered as skillfull as someone with no professional experience who clocks in at over 100 WPM.
Who would you rather hire in this case after you have accessed both applicants and have evidence that reveals the better typist?

Well if I were looking to hire a crane operator, I would hire the one with the crane operator license. (two can play that game ya know)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

On post #1022 I was very clear what the question is and you chose ignore my question and answer something else.

Well if I were looking to hire a crane operator, I would hire the one with the crane operator license. (two can play that game ya know)

Well, yeah, you kind of have to hire the one who is licensed if you want to avoid a world full of legal problems and don't want to pay to train nd certify the other (I don't know cranes work but forklifts you have to be certified for any and all facilities you work at).
But how do you know who's actually better if you don't access things like hand eye coordination?
And no, I didn't ignore your question. I amswered it. You just didn't like the answer that defeated your attempts to demonstrate a bad point.

 

[Kenny]

Up until the last sentence, I was with you 100%. Ideally, everyone can lift themselves up by their own bootstraps, but in reality, it sometimes doesn't work out that way for some.

I did mention that "some" need extra help. I was talking generally.