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India Pakistan Sparring
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MD
qualiaphile
The trillions in petro dollars plays a big part in promoting Islamic causes. Also India was a political enemy of USA for decades and Pakistan was an ally.
Thousands of Hindus are killed and forcefully kidnapped and converted in Pakistan every year. The same happens in Bangladesh.
India has been far too peaceful to these incursions. The only path to peace in sub-continent is the complete dissolution of Pakistan and a wall between Bangladesh and India. If India had less corruption and more politicians like Modi, Pakistan would be 4 tribal states by today.
I fear I need it spelled out.
That is news to me. Pakistan, at least, is not much of an ally, what with the terrorist arboring and all.
Not big on peace, are you?
MD
qualiaphile
Not big on reality, are you?
MD
qualiaphile
Pakistan has been a huge military ally of USA and a huge ally of the Wahabbist states. This has made the Pakistani military pretend to be allies with the US but is constantly using the thousands of jihadis on its soil against India.
The US-Pakistan has soured in the last decade or so but it was so strong that during one of the wars when India had captured Pakistani territory, the U.S. sent a naval carrier group to threaten India to back off.
By reality, do you mean that realm where peace can't be had by way of war? The one you and I exist in?
Because if you do, then you must be kidding.
MD
qualiaphile
Lol are you a human being? You do realize that we all have defend ourselves? What should India do? Just take the ****?
Maybe in your little office in Brazil, you can sip cappucino and talk of peace. But I guarantee you if Brazil didn't have an army, other countries like Argentina would take over your land and you wouldn't have a cushy job and office from where you can post this stuff. You'd be in the dirt and then you'd realize that war is necessary.
I agree, but also think it goes deeper than that right into an unspoken alliance with another Abrahamic religion. We're a common enemy, us heathens, us pagans, us idol-worshippers.
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Following that logic, the Brazilian army isn't necessary, the American army isn't necessary, etc. You believe that?
Gosh I hope not. That wouldn't solve anything. But if Pakistan keeps breaking the cease fire, it could well be an inevitable situation. I personally don't think that will happen. I think cooler heads will prevail, and it's resolve itself, as it has so many times before.
Absolutely! It is a crying shame that so many countries actually have standing armies with freaking tanks and so many long-range weapons of such vast destructive power.
That so many people accept that is a brand of shame over us all.
At one level, I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately, I don't feel the world is quite ready for that. Maybe some day there just won't be aggressive forces. (on both individual and group levels) History has shown that whenever peaceful and aggressive forces have met, the aggressive ones have won out. If left with no defenses at all, the entire planet would become dog eat dog. That would change the planet forever, I think. Total anarchy and chaos.
Are armies even defenses? How far from a "dog eat dog" situation are we now, and in which direction is the existence of those armies moving us all?
Do we even have the right to leave it for future generations to decide not to raise arms?
Even if we do, how can we tell that such a stance is wise, or even viable?
I'm just not certain the choice exists. At some point we all will just have to decide that enough is enough already and other means of dealin with conflict must be employed.
Personally, I don't think waiting is at all a good idea.
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Tell ISIS that. Truly, I wish they'd listen. Same thing with a drunk in a bar convinced he's going to have a fight with anybody, anything. The instinctive aggressive forces are still just too heavy on this planet. But its slowly changing.
MD
qualiaphile
With the nukes that's not possible, nor something I can support. But if India were to somehow grab the nukes, I would fully support and expect India to invade and split up Pakistan.
India should have just taken out Pakistan in 71, split it up, and used different provinces against each other. All the pacifism other posters talk about is the reason why India is pressured by all its neighbours, especially China and Pakistan.
Pakistan has used Jihadists against India and continues to do so, killing tens of thousands of civilians over decades. Pakistan has no consideration for Hindus and has committed genocides against Hindus. Imagine if Hindus killed millions of Muslims? There would be a global jihad against India 10x what ISIS is doing now. Yet the double standard remains, where the Western liberals protect Pakistan.
Pakistan has started numerous wars and lost all 3. How much does it have to take for India to say enough?
MD
qualiaphile
You know I agree with you, deep inside. But I think you are time traveller from the future, the world you speak of is centuries away.
Until then defence is necessary.