Inherited sin: yes or no

[Desert Snake]

Not all who wander are lost.

So?

 

[Desert Snake]

Not all who wander are lost.

You may not know that your lost.

 

[Demonslayer]

You may not know that your lost.

Then what difference would it make?

 

[Desert Snake]

Then what difference would it make?

Your asking the wrong person. I answered a post that referred to people needing a guide. Ask them what they meant.

 

[Demonslayer]

Your asking the wrong person. I answered a post that referred to people needing a guide. Ask them what they meant.

I think the point is, if one doesn't feel lost, one isn't lost. Folks who feel lost may need a guide. Folks who are comfortable where they are, and can call that place home, need no guide to find a preferable location.

 

[Desert Snake]

I think the point is, if one doesn't feel lost, one isn't lost. Folks who feel lost may need a guide. Folks who are comfortable where they are, and can call that place home, need no guide to find a preferable location.

*shrugs*
I didn't bring up the guide thing. You might be correct, in some instances/

 

[Demonslayer]

*shrugs*
I didn't bring up the guide thing. You might be correct, in some instances/

I know you didn't bring it up, I'm just shootin' the breeze as they say.

 

[Desert Snake]

I know you didn't bring it up, I'm just shootin' the breeze as they say.

Yeah, ''lost'' is subjective.

or situational, rather

 

[Demonslayer]

Yeah, ''lost'' is subjective.

The ending was horrible!

 

[Tranquil Servant]

I don't think so .. it's just the way you are portraying it .. or perceive it, perhaps

It's not about the way I'm portraying or perceiving it...I'm portraying it and perceiving it the way it's meant to be perceived...(actually, I'm kinda insulted!)....I consider myself to be very open minded. As I mentioned in the beginning of this post...I even watch islamic debates and am usually quite impressed. I don't necessarily agree all the time but at least I give the benefit of the doubt which is more than what I can say about many religious people...I also have alot of pride in my way of life but if something is wrong (or contradicts), it's wrong..
I think maybe it's the way you are perceiving the issue that doesn't allow you to view it impartially.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I think maybe it's the way you are perceiving the issue that doesn't allow you to view it impartially.

Maybe..
You keep on saying that Adam, peace be upon him, was PUNISHED for his trangression by being sent to earth..
Perhaps you'd like to tell me what Almighty God SHOULD have done so as to avert this "punishment"

 

[Tranquil Servant]

Yeah, ''lost'' is subjective.

or situational, rather

I meant those who are spiritually lost needing a guide and who are searching..

I think the point is, if one doesn't feel lost, one isn't lost. Folks who feel lost may need a guide. Folks who are comfortable where they are, and can call that place home, need no guide to find a preferable location.

And just cause a person may "feel" comfortable doesn't mean that person isn't lost...
There have been many times where I felt comfortable in my belief until it was challenged which then made me feel uncomfortable cause really, only the truth will make a person feel comfortable...the truth stands strong and firm...And I feel it's an obligation to "seek truth from the cradle to the grave" (I forget where I got that quote from...I think it was Louis Farrakhan)

 

[Thief]

when I was sooooo much younger.....
there were lengthy moments of confusion....
but I've never been ....lost

 

[Tranquil Servant]

Maybe..
You keep on saying that Adam, peace be upon him, was PUNISHED for his trangression by being sent to earth..
Perhaps you'd like to tell me what Almighty God SHOULD have done so as to avert this "punishment"

Once again, I'm not doubting God's will...
God gave them free will..right?
Did Adam and Eve leave paradise because they wanted to? No...
They were forced out after doing something wrong....something God warned them not to do.
To me it sounds like a punishment...if it wasn't, then why didn't he let them stay or why didn't he just make them to live on earth instantly and right after their creation? From what I've read in the Quran and the Story of the Prophets, Adam and Eve were living in total happiness and freedom in Paradise (earth isn't a happy place to live)....but God forced them out of paradise right after they did something wrong.
Paradise is paradise and sounds like a privilege and being forced out of a place of privilege just sounds bad....I'm sorry.
Like I said...I don't neglect the fact that God has created us for a purpose but the ultimate purpose is not for us to live on earth in the condition that it's in now (corrupted)....yes that's part of the purpose but not the final purpose....this life is just temporary and a means to an end.....it's a test. The final purpose for those who are worthy, is to have eternal life...
In my belief, God wanted us to have eternal life since the very beginning but he also gave us (Adam and Eve..the father and mother of all human beings) the freedom to choose it...Adam and Eve didn't choose eternal life but God is Merciful and is still offering us the opportunity to have eternal life (spiritually).

 

[Subhankar Zac]

There's no sin... And mainly no inherited sin.

 

[Thief]

Once again, I'm not doubting God's will...
God gave them free will..right?
Did Adam and Eve leave paradise because they wanted to? No...
They were forced out after doing something wrong....something God warned them not to do.
To me it sounds like a punishment...if it wasn't, then why didn't he let them stay or why didn't he just make them to live on earth instantly and right after their creation? From what I've read in the Quran and the Story of the Prophets, Adam and Eve were living in total happiness and freedom in Paradise (earth isn't a happy place to live)....but God forced them out of paradise right after they did something wrong.
Paradise is paradise and sounds like a privilege and being forced out of a place of privilege just sounds bad....I'm sorry.
Like I said...I don't neglect the fact that God has created us for a purpose but the ultimate purpose is not for us to live on earth in the condition that it's in now (corrupted)....yes that's part of the purpose but not the final purpose....this life is just temporary and a means to an end.....it's a test. The final purpose for those who are worthy, is to have eternal life...
In my belief, God wanted us to have eternal life since the very beginning but he also gave us (Adam and Eve..the father and mother of all human beings) the freedom to choose it...Adam and Eve didn't choose eternal life but God is Merciful and is still offering us the opportunity to have eternal life (spiritually).

I don't believe the first couple failed.
they were given a choice
that choice was to make certain Man's alteration had taken hold

The spirit we become must have curiosity beyond the last breath.
With complete focus on all things in reach ......
no consideration will be made to reaching out for an afterlife.

Was it a fixed choice?
from heaven's point of view.............yes

we either desire to know even as death is pending.......or.....
we die in our ignorance

 

[Tranquil Servant]

Like I said before...it's just my belief. I only want give another perception or idea for those who are open minded...people are quickly defensive without even trying to approach certain topics or issues with an open mind (it's like people don't care for knowledge). Also people are quick to be defensive without even doing the proper research or investigation in order to defend what they feel defensive about....I guess people have too much (foolish) pride and only care about sounding smart or feeling like they're right and everyone else is wrong...at the same time people don't like to admit when their wrong or take constructive criticism...all well...to each their own..(just a thought I wanted to express)
Anyways...back to the subject!

 

[viole]

There's no guarantee that you would know if you need a guide.

Who can say?

Do you need one?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Tranquil Servant]

we either desire to know even as death is pending.......or.....
we die in our ignorance

This is true! But I also think it depends on the person and the situation...some people will obey and follow orders without asking questions (which is not always a good thing) but some people don't even care or want to ask questions for fear of the truth hurting them or because they don't want to be held accountable for knowing too much or knowing better. Even the Bible warns those who call themselves teachers.

 

[viole]

I meant those who are spiritually lost needing a guide and who are searching..

And just cause a person may "feel" comfortable doesn't mean that person isn't lost...
There have been many times where I felt comfortable in my belief until it was challenged which then made me feel uncomfortable cause really, only the truth will make a person feel comfortable...the truth stands strong and firm...And I feel it's an obligation to "seek truth from the cradle to the grave" (I forget where I got that quote from...I think it was Louis Farrakhan)

I beg to differ. The more comfortable an idea is, the least likely it is to be true.

If you were right, then my belief to win 10 millions at the next lottery, would be true.

Ciao

- viole