Intelligence First

[Thief]

And here we get to the real reason for your beliefs....
The fear of death!
Nobody likes the idea that they will die one day, but the same idea is what makes life so special.
The whole concept of an afterlife takes away from the importance of this life. The one life that we know is real.
This is your one time to shine... dont waste it.

I breath every breath and drink every drink.
So it is written.

And will probably continue...long after you.

And too much assumption that I fear death.

I suspect denial comes from fear.
Fear of something Greater.

 

[Android]

I breath every breath and drink every drink.
So it is written.

Many things are written. It doesnt make them true.

And will probably continue...long after you.

Why? because you are allowed in heaven and i'm not? Or does your DNA have longer telemeres than mine?

And too much assumption that I fear death.

If you believe in an afterlife, I'm sure you wouldn't fear death. Just like the terrorists who wern't afraid of crashing planes into tall buildings.

I suspect denial comes from fear.
Fear of something Greater.

Are you saying I deny the existance of god because I fear him? Strange logic there. If I feared god, surely I would obey him not deny him.

I deny his existance because;
a) There is no evidence of his existance.
b) belief in god does nothing to help advance our civillization.

 

[Thief]

Many things are written. It doesnt make them true.



Why? because you are allowed in heaven and i'm not? Or does your DNA have longer telemeres than mine?



If you believe in an afterlife, I'm sure you wouldn't fear death. Just like the terrorists who wern't afraid of crashing planes into tall buildings.



Are you saying I deny the existance of god because I fear him? Strange logic there. If I feared god, surely I would obey him not deny him.

I deny his existance because;
a) There is no evidence of his existance.
b) belief in god does nothing to help advance our civillization.

There will be no evidence.
No photo....no fingerprint...no experiment...no equations.

Man would still be animal without God. See Chapter Two...Genesis.

The rest of your rebuttal has no merit and not worthy a response.

 

[outhouse]

Man would still be animal without God

who says hes not a animal with god???

 

[Thief]

who says hes not a animal with god???

See Chapter Two...Genesis.

 

[outhouse]

See Chapter Two...Genesis.

not good enough

 

[Thief]

not good enough

Too bad.

 

[Android]

See Chapter Two...Genesis.

That has about as much worth as saying...
See "life of brian".

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

 

[PolyHedral]

That has about as much worth as saying...
See "life of brian".

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

Arguably, Life of Brian has a lot more worth.

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YouTube - Monty Python - Life of Brian - Your're all different

 

[Thief]

Happen to enjoy Monty python.

You do realize that making jest of reason and logic.... is for fun?
and does not remove the reason and the logic.

You can laugh if you want.

How about a better scenario from your part.

 

[Android]

Happen to enjoy Monty python.

You do realize that making jest of reason and logic.... is for fun?
and does not remove the reason and the logic.

You can laugh if you want.

How about a better scenario from your part.

There is far more reason and logic in that clip than there is in in genesis.

 

[Thief]

There is far more reason and logic in that clip than there is in in genesis.

So you're not able to say...'intelligence first'?

 

[camanintx]

So you're not able to say...'intelligence first'?

Everything we see around us indicates that simple and chaotic systems are converted into complex and ordered systems through natural processes. So, no, the intelligence which arises from the complex interaction of our neurons could not have come first.

 

[McBell]

So you're not able to say...'intelligence first'?

I know you will have a hard time understanding this and that you will merely ignore it, but merely saying it does not make it so.
Regardless of the number of times you say it or how much you want and or have to believe it.

 

[outhouse]

So you're not able to say...'intelligence first'?

are you able to state that beyond imagination is the real question

 

[Android]

So you're not able to say...'intelligence first'?

No, I can't say that. It doesn't add up.

 

[LuisDantas]

(...)

"Evolution works which way?
First the mutation and the chaos of nature sorts them out?

Close enough. In reality, nature itself is hardly chaotic, of course. It lacks a purpose, but it does structure itself spontaneously to a degree.

Or....
First the intelligence and the body adapts...genetically?

Uh, no. Not at all. There is not even a hint of things happening that way, really.

Careful...

If you set intelligence first.....
God did it."

"Careful?"

I ain't no 'fraid of gods...

No doubt that discussion will end badly.....why?

Because the spirit that we are...life in general....is more than chemistry.
And it seems the two sides...evolution VERSUS creation is a bogus stance.

The bottom line is actually correct, but for the opposite reasons and in the opposite sense of what you probably meant.

 

[Thief]

Everything we see around us indicates that simple and chaotic systems are converted into complex and ordered systems through natural processes. So, no, the intelligence which arises from the complex interaction of our neurons could not have come first.

I'll answer this post...as rest follow suit....

Chaos has been renamed as a science recently...no longer a deity or religion.

In the science documentary I was watching, several demonstrations were made to show that a repeated action can result in predictable effects.

However, on no one occasion could an exacting result be assured.
The flight of a dandelion seed cannot be plotted.
But the result is sure...more dandelions.

However again, to conclude that no intelligence stands behind this creation....cannot be demonstrated.

And the collection of life in it's many and various forms
(a ponderous amount of 'evidence')...would indicate design and purpose.

Your own bodies are 'designed' to upload information.
Your five senses are hardwired to input this reality...into your mind.

Life has no mystery.
Life is a learning experience.
You are here to become a unique individual.

Then back to God you go.

 

[PolyHedral]

I'll answer this post...as rest follow suit....

Chaos has been renamed as a science recently...no longer a deity or religion.

In the science documentary I was watching, several demonstrations were made to show that a repeated action can result in predictable effects.

However, on no one occasion could an exacting result be assured.
The flight of a dandelion seed cannot be plotted.
But the result is sure...more dandelions.

I can give you a result as precise as the data you give me. Give me a perfect measurement, and I can give you a perfect result. Good luck acquiring perfect measurements, though. Hint: it's impossible.

However again, to conclude that no intelligence stands behind this creation....cannot be demonstrated.

And the collection of life in it's many and various forms
(a ponderous amount of 'evidence')...would indicate design and purpose.

If that were true, I'd be asking for my money back. Do you know just how high the failure rate of biology is?

Then back to God you go.

Doesn't God already know everything?

 

[Thief]

I can give you a result as precise as the data you give me. Give me a perfect measurement, and I can give you a perfect result. Good luck acquiring perfect measurements, though. Hint: it's impossible.


If that were true, I'd be asking for my money back. Do you know just how high the failure rate of biology is?


Doesn't God already know everything?

And like anything else in small pieces....what was it?

When you break a post into bits and pieces the line of thought ...'appears'
as you please.

Try reading it again....and this time...as one thought.