Well, of course not.
They're only Muslims.
And you're a Zionist.
But they're not as big an enemy of USA as Israel is.
That's how costly it is an ally that has too much
power in US government.
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Iran Launches Missiles Into Israel
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They're only Muslims.
And you're a Zionist.
But they're not as big an enemy of USA as Israel is.
That's how costly it is an ally that has too much
power in US government.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's not like Iran hasn't attacked Israel in the past. Some people are saying this is just a tit for tat showboat attack although it's higher in intensity that nothing will really come out of it aside from limited retaliatorial exchanges.
I would say Iran ought to be careful if it doesn't want more regime change involving its leadership.
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And vice versa.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No this is a country heavily involved in offensive terrorism for many many years unlike Israel where it only retaliates after it is attacked.
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
Yes, the US helping defend Israel is the US intervening, but not in such a way that we (the US) gets to enjoy WW3. I don't think merely taking defensive action to protect Israel is such a form of intervention that would cause us (the US) to enjoy WW3. I am taking it as a given the if the US enjoys WW3, it's because the US got offensively involved with military action.
Israel was the very first to attack. It began
with the Nakba, & continued unabated.
Dimi95
Χριστός ἀνέστη
Yes , but it does not seem so by what i heard.
I have one member of my crew that went on vacation to Iran 4 weeks ago.
He says this time they might use great power.He was really scared , i could feal the fear in his voice.
You underestimate Iran.They cannot be predicted , they can do crazy staff like using nuclear weapon.And after that it's pointless to even discuss it.
amatuerscholar
Member
The problem though is we can't start with the Nakba. The Nakba is a product of the Great Revolt that occurred nearly a decade before, which really set the stage. We are looking at Palestine in 1936, where the Palestinian Arabs revolted against Britain and attempted to assert their own independence at the cost of the Jewish population. This revolt would end up changing everything. It harmed both Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs in the long run. We also have to look at the time leading up to the Nakba, where the Arab world had sided with Hitler, and were attempting to implement the Final Solution in Palestine. The war in Europe not going as planned would prevent this, but it set a precedent.
Even with the Nakba, we have to realize that a huge reason that came to be was because of the outside Arab world. I mean, leading up to this point, wealthy Palestinian Arabs were freely selling their land to Jews who were coming in. At the same time, the Arab world was assuring them that they would destroy the forming Israeli state, and all the land would be given back. When war broke out, many Palestinians were encouraged to leave by Arab leaders who said that the Arab world would wipe Israel off the map, and a Palestinian state would be set up. When that didn't happen, the Arab world abandoned, in large part, the displaced Palestinians.
This is further complicated by peace talks that included a two state solution that were rejected by Arab leaders, because nothing but destroying Israel would be accepted. What's of interest here though is that the only reason Israelis were able to survive these wars was because they were trained by Britain during the Great Revolt.
The Palestinians have been shafted here. They have had terrible representation, and even today, that's true with their governing body being a terrorist organization that wants genocide. They were let down by the Arab world who helped put them into this terrible situation.
And Israel has some blame in all of this. But I think too often we just ignore all of this history that has shaped this. Israel has been formed and shaped by attempt after attempt of people trying to exterminate them. That constant threat is going to have an extreme impact on how they are shaped. And the Palestinians have been largely been used as pawns by the Arab world in an attempt to wipe Israel out, only to be abandoned when that failed to pan out. Which in turn has shaped who they are and have allowed extremists to take over the governing body.
Many Israelis are Palestinians. They have lived in Palestine as long as many Palestinian Arabs. In fact, the reason that many Israelis were able to acquire land there was because wealthy Palestinians sold them the land. And we can't forget that the Arab leaders, during the war in 1948, encouraged Palestinians to leave their homes with the promise they would be able to return. Why? So they could wage an all out war in order to wipe Israel off the planet and finish what Hitler started. In fact, the Arab world was planning on implementing the Final Solution in Palestine, but because the war in Europe turned, the Nazis weren't able to finalize it.
And the US really had nothing to do with this for the longest time. In fact, every time the Arab world attacked Israel, the US and rest of the world basically told Israel, once they achieved victory, or at least stopped the attack, to stop. They didn't help Israel, they just looked on. Yeah, now there is a connection, but Palestine is also ran by a terrorist organization, with links to many other terrorist organizations. And if you want to talk about racism, the Hamas have been clear they want to commit genocide against Jews.
We Never Know
No Slack
If the history of Israel's oppression, theft, & murder
aren't made right, the conflict will continue.
amatuerscholar
Member
That's not true at all. The Great Revolt of 1936 predates all of this, and was an attempt by Palestinian Arabs to rid Palestine of Jews, and to set up their own independence. We also have the Arab World siding with Hitler and the Nazis, and attempting to initialize that Final Solution in Palestine. Even the Nakba wasn't the first attack. It was a consequence of the 1948 War, where the Arab World attempted to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Israel did not attack first.
Denying Isreal's brutality & crimes
means there will be no solution.
amatuerscholar
Member
One could say the same about Palestine and the Arab world. You're ignoring one side.
amatuerscholar
Member
I never denied anything. I've acknowledged they have blame. To label one side evil and the other good, or one side bad and the other not, ignores so much.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Is this like those Muslims dancing on the rooftops in Jersey after 9/11?
Dimi95
Χριστός ἀνέστη
No , they are on the streets in many cities in Germany.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Except they are doing that, repeating history but with the IDF and Netanyahu being those repeating the history of bloodthirsty madmen guilty of wanton destruction and genocide.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Are they? We were told all these Muslims were dancing on the rooftops after 9/11 but it didn't really happen.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Too bad lots of people aren't seeing the other side of this, an “attempt by the Israeli regime to harm innocent Iranians” and “escalate this dangerous situation” in the Middle East.
Lol, he is a ridiculous buffoon, meanwhile he's on the phone with a genocidal terrorist.