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Iran Launches Missiles Into Israel

Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
anotherneil said:
I doubt it; his actions during his 1st POTUS term, and his "art of the deal" approach to things in general, demonstrate to me that Trump may be able to find a peaceful solution for the situation, if the parties involved are willing to make a deal to settle things.
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Trump's foreign skills will be invaluable if he's elected . What other president can claim to have been able to negotiate with some of the most hard case countries in the world without conflict erupting.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Godobeyer said:


Palestinians of Israel living second citizenship.

USA had total responsiblity on Israel behavior. But unfortunately Israel influence on USA policy through AIPAC.
It's about zionism man. Nothing less.

Let's suppose your claim about Hamas want commit genocide against Jews.

What we are seen now, is Israel who commit genocide against Palestinians.
So it's ok?

Same as if one said, Hitler killed 6 million jews because he thought that they commit genocide against germans?
Is this make sense?
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As Biden just said, USA "fully supports Israel",
no matter what Israel does. Genocide Joe is
really just the figurehead for a government
that accepts genocide of Arabs / Muslims.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
Trump's foreign skills will be invaluable if he's elected . What other president can claim to have been able to negotiate with some of the most hard case countries in the world without conflict erupting.
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Yeah, he had a great relationship with Fat Boy Slim (KJU) but what came of that? o_O
 
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LuisDantas

LuisDantas

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It is foolish to expect peace to result from an ever increasing collection of acts of sheer brutality.

It is worse to accept with no resistance that one's political regime will commit that serious, destructive mistake and make policy of it.

That applies to Iran's theocracy (and most if not all others) as well as to the current leadership in Israel.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
anotherneil said:
And if the U.S. intervenes and we enjoy WW3 we can thank Creepy Uncle Joe for that.

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That is more than a little bit myopic, as well as hypocritical. Unless you have at least turned back on your support for Trump.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Dimi95 said:
You don't have to belive it
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With your lack of evidence I do. You showed us nothing, a video that could have been from anyone, anywhere and about something entirely unrelated to the current situation.
Your claim has as much merit as claims of Muslims dancing on the rooftops after 9/11.
 
amatuerscholar

amatuerscholar

Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Except they are doing that, repeating history but with the IDF and Netanyahu being those repeating the history of bloodthirsty madmen guilty of wanton destruction and genocide.
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Israel is not guilty of genocide, by definition. For it to be genocide, you must show clear intent to eliminate a people. That simply isn't happening here, as can be demonstrated by the fact that Palestinians as a whole aren't being exterminated. Many Palestinians are still living in Israel even. So no, there is no genocide.

And they aren't repeating history. If history was being repeated, they would have simply stopped until the next terrorist attack.

Saint Frankenstein said:
So that was clearly not the beginning of this, and your framing of it was off. What a surprise. :rolleyes:
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So Wikipedia is a terrible source here, as those writing these articles are not using neutral sources. They are clearly biased if one takes the time to even look.

Now, why was their a higher influx of Jews to Palestine during this period? The answer is because they were being forced out of their homelands in Europe, and Palestine was the most safe place to go. They could have stayed in Europe, which would have led to many of their deaths. Now, they picked Palestine (as well as a few other places) because they were able to legally buy land there and set up colonies (this happened in South America as well). In Palestine, those selling the land were wealthy Palestinian Arabs.

Now, I didn't say this was the initial beginning of anything. I said, as you quoted, the Great Revolt of 1936 preceded the Nakba. And if we're going to talk about this history, we must talk about the Great Revolt as it really puts into place a number of things.
Because he wanted to use them against the British and they thought he would help them overcome their British colonizers.
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Are you really defending Nazism here and the Final Solution? The Arab World sided with Hitler, and wanted to be part of the group committing genocide. It doesn't matter why they wanted to do this, the fact is, the Arab World sided with Hitler, and wanted to commit genocide.
That's quite a claim. Evidence?
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Look up Amin al-Husseini. He was the most prominent Arab leader to collaborate with the Nazis. He was fully aware of the Final Solution, and with German campaigns into Palestine. We also have works such as "New Research Taints Image of Desert Fox Rommel," by Von Jan Friedman, that discusses how Hitler wanted to extend the Holocaust to the Middle East, and began forging Alliances with Arab leaders in order to facilitate this.
That's not an excuse for ethnic cleansing and genocide, no matter how much you want it to be. This started with European Zionists deciding to plop their colonial project ontop of people who were already there and use violence to create a Jewish majority state when they were very much the minority. Get real.
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Did I ever say it was an excuse? Did I say that Israel is morally right in everything they are doing? Nope. And again, the only reason that Jews were able to settle into Palestine is because Palestinian Arabs sold them land to settle on. The reason for this, at that time, was because Jews were being persecuted in Europe, and that was almost the only place they could go to escape being eliminated. The ideas of Zionism wouldn't come until later.

And there is no genocide happening in Palestine, by definition. The fact many Palestinians are living in Israel, without fear for their lives, tells us this isn't a genocide. Most people throwing around the term genocide have no idea what it means.

Shadow Wolf said:
Except the Palestinians have been fighting for their land and homes that Zionists have been stealing for a long time now. They had backing of the English Crown when they arrived in Palestine, had their theft legitimized by the UN, and that wasn't enough because they keep stealing more and more land and houses to this day.
This is why I have said dozens of times attitudes would be different if it were the Natives doing it to us.
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You need to do more research here. Jews have been living in Palestine for many generations. Yes, in the early 1900s, there was an influx of Jewish migration to Palestine (as well as other places like South America) in order to escape persecution. They just wanted to live. When the went to Palestine, they either moved in with family, as many of them had family there, or they moved onto land that was legally bought from Palestinian Arabs. Palestinians freely sold land to Jewish immigrants, in some cases, especially as we move closer to the 1940s, because they thought they would get it back once Jews were forced out of Palestine.

And yeah, at time, Britain did back the Jewish immigrants. The British, in the 20s and 30s, trained Jewish militias, largely because of growing revolts, which culminated in the Great Revolt of 1936, by Palestinian Arabs. Basically, the British used the Jewish people to fight their battle, and the Jewish people allowed it as their lives also depended on it because the Palestinian Arabs were attempting to eject the Jewish population out of the area, and Jews had no place to go. Most places barred them moving there, and if they went back to Europe, well we know what happened there.

But, after the Great Revolt, Britain largely abandoned the Jewish people and cut off their immigration to Palestine. At this same time, the Arab world would seek to work with Hitler and the Nazis, with the goal of having the final solution implemented in the Middle East as well.

While that never happened, the War of 1948 attempted to really finish what Hitler started, with the Arab world expressing their wish to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. And yes, Israel at this time did take land as part of their victory. Most of that land was given back to various countries. This would happen a few more times.

And while there is a current issue with settlers in Israel encroaching and occupying land that isn't there's, even though Israel did conquer it multiple times after the Arab world started wars with them, and they gave it back, it's still a very tricky situation. I mean, when the governing body of the Palestinians are a terrorist group that has voiced multiple times their wish to exterminate the Jewish population, it's hard to play nice.

That doesn't excuse what Israel is doing, but it puts it into perspective.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
amatuerscholar said:
Israel is not guilty of genocide, by definition. For it to be genocide, you must show clear intent to eliminate a people.
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It's "genocide" per....
www.un.org

1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide | United Nations

www.un.org www.un.org
Excerpted...

Article II​

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Also...
www.timesofisrael.com

Israel in talks with Congo and other countries on Gaza ‘voluntary migration’ plan

Senior official says Jerusalem working on postwar resettlement of Palestinians from Strip; some ministers tout Saudi Arabia as destination for Gazans seeking construction work
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Revoltingest said:
It's "genocide" per....
www.un.org

1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide | United Nations

www.un.org www.un.org
Excerpted...

Article II​

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Also...
www.timesofisrael.com

Israel in talks with Congo and other countries on Gaza ‘voluntary migration’ plan

Senior official says Jerusalem working on postwar resettlement of Palestinians from Strip; some ministers tout Saudi Arabia as destination for Gazans seeking construction work
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
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How nice of Netanyahu.
(from your link)
Congo has high levels of inequality, and 52.5 percent of the population lives below the poverty line, according to the World Food Programme.
 
amatuerscholar

amatuerscholar

Member
Revoltingest said:
It's "genocide" per....
www.un.org

1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide | United Nations

www.un.org www.un.org
Excerpted...

Article II​

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Also...
www.timesofisrael.com

Israel in talks with Congo and other countries on Gaza ‘voluntary migration’ plan

Senior official says Jerusalem working on postwar resettlement of Palestinians from Strip; some ministers tout Saudi Arabia as destination for Gazans seeking construction work
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
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You have to show intent. Intent here is a massive part. The intent has to be to destroy, in whole or in part. When it says in part here, if you look at the link I provided that breaks this down more, the part has to be substantial, as in, substantial enough to destroy the whole. And again, intent has to be shown that the goal is elimination.

Here is a link that further discusses what the definition of genocide is: Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations.

There, we see that dispersion, as per the second link you provided, does not constitute genocide.
 
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