Is a prostitute and one-night stand the same?

[work in progress]

ok, so how is this any more immoral than paying someone minimum wage to clean your toilets?

Well, someone cleaning toilets gets to wear rubber gloves at least! I cleaned plenty of toilets when I worked in restaurants years ago, and I never caught any STD's from them.

would you say someone that was physically disabled, too old, too unconventional or just downright ugly, and thus needed to pay for it, to have 'something wrong with them?'

The issue isn't what goes on between a prostitute and her client; it's whether she is really in the business of her own free will, and has not been brought into the country illegally, and is being controlled by a pimp. From what I've read about Holland, legalizing prostitution did not remove the pimps, the I.V. drugs, and the slave trade that takes young women captive in Eastern Europe and the Far East, and smuggles them into the country. The proponents of legalization believed that the criminal element of the business would go away with legalized prostitution, and the results are mixed at best.

So, back to the case of the lowly john who just wants sex -- he may not be intending to cause harm, but if his transaction is part of the cycle that keeps all the other evils going, then he is part of the problem.

 

[work in progress]

I wasn't aware that there were countries where Buddhism was required. I'm also not aware of any political teachings of the Buddha. What people do is what people do. However, one of the five major ethical precepts of Buddhism is to not commit sexual misconduct. So again I'll ask you, are you suggesting that Christianity or Christian ethics is the only religion that disdains sexual misconduct? Or, are you suggesting that any religion that does disdain sexual misconduct is in some way influenced by Christianity?

I've heard that Thailand, like most other countries, is not very happy about the sex tourists who arrive in Bangkok....especially the pedophiles seeking child prostitutes! And, you just gave me an excuse to look up Gary Glitter.....to see what's been happening to him after his arrest and imprisonment in Vietnam for child prostitution. It seems that he was deported after serving three years of his sentence in a Vietnamese prison, so now he's safely back in England. BBC NEWS | UK | Gary Glitter flown out of Vietnam

 

[nnmartin]

So again I'll ask you, are you suggesting that Christianity or Christian ethics is the only religion that disdains sexual misconduct?

no , I am not saying that.

Or, are you suggesting that any religion that does disdain sexual misconduct is in some way influenced by Christianity?

nor that.

but many people in the Western nations are subliminally influenced by Christianity and hence condemn the use of prostitutes without fully realising why.

 

[bribrius]

no. There is no guarantee a one night stand will only be a one night stand. It may very well lead to dating or more.
ONe night stand is looking at if AFTER the fact in the past.

The prostitute arrangment i would also agree is only a business transaction. It is not anywhere near feeling emotional or other potential relationship needs and desires. purely sex.

The one night stand has the chance of more, and future fullfillment and relationship. As it is probably more respected because of this and it being closer to possibly a courting or date.

 

[nnmartin]

not if you only ever intend for it to be one or two nights in the first place.

In which case it is purely physical and will lead to no more, hence the same as paying for it (as far as psychology in concerned)

 

[Kerr]

yes, it would - the only difference being that she would be working for free.

Even the Bible discourages this.

In what way would it be prostitution?

 

[nnmartin]

I suppose in the same way that voluntary work is still 'work'.

there is a biblical passage along these lines somewhere and I'll try to dig it up.

 

[Me Myself]

I'm not saying that a one night stand is prostitution - more that there is no real difference between the two in an overall sense.

if it's not love, then it's just physical pleasure or an ego boost. Hence the same.

You and satan are both sentient beings.

Hence you are the same (do you understand the logical fallacy we are both incurring here? )

There are tons of differences. There are similitudes in a very general and relative sense, but if we go to that then anything you do with another person to boost your ego is prostitution. Why not?

Ultimately, it makes 0 sense.

 

[moniasaurus]

Girls that have 'one night stands' are making a living off it, though.
Also it's presumptuous to assume it's always the guys buying the girl dinner or drinks, we don't live in the 50's.

When it's a one night stand, there's a mutual attraction between the two people and a mutual respect for the other person. Both of them want to engage in what they're doing and both of them want to be there - for both people it is most likely not a chore.

However, for a prostitute, it's a totally different story. The guy getting the prostitute is most likely feeling bad about himself because the only action he gets is from some one he pays for, and the girl is most likely feeling bad because this is her job and she most likely does not enjoy it.

In the two situations, the atmosphere is likely to be incredibly different and the two people having a one night stand are likely to be having a better time.

It's not the same thing.

 

[zenzero]

Friend moniasaurus,

Agree with you!

Love & rgds

 

[Kerr]

I suppose in the same way that voluntary work is still 'work'.

there is a biblical passage along these lines somewhere and I'll try to dig it up.

Can you please define what a prostitute is then? Any who is the prostitute when it comes to one night stands?

 

[9Westy9]

 

[nnmartin]

However, for a prostitute, it's a totally different story. The guy getting the prostitute is most likely feeling bad about himself because the only action he gets is from some one he pays for, and the girl is most likely feeling bad because this is her job and she most likely does not enjoy it.

do you have some first hand experience of this or are you just making assumptions?

also you say that paying for it and having a one nighter are the same - how could you possibly know this unless you have achieved both a number of times?

how do you know that the guy is feeling bad about himself and the girl does not enjoy it?

 

[nnmartin]

Can you please define what a prostitute is then? Any who is the prostitute when it comes to one night stands?

Psycholigically it is the same thing.

having a one nighter and paying for it is no different.

in this scenario then both man and woman are selling themselves.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

I think the difference is in the case of outcomes rather than inputs; the prostitute walks away with more wealth from the encounter, the one night stand (hopes to) walk away with their desire sated (or disease passed on, or knocked up or whatever else is their goal)... Both might end up being an expensive proposition the prostitute because they charge and the one night stand for any associated costs born by one / both / all /some of the parties (generally for the man/men, because society still feels sexism is appropriate when it benefits women) but that is an input not an outcome, a cost of facilitation rather than payment.

 

[nnmartin]

ok , but the act itself is surely the same.

assuming there will be no negative consequences and one knows this beforehand then how can the event be any different?

in fact I would say that in most cases, for the man at least, then paying for it is likely to be better as there would be no need to worry about your performance.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

The 'act' are we talking the sex itself? Well I suppose it depends on what you pay for I am told some things cost extra

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

ok , but the act itself is surely the same.

assuming there will be no negative consequences and one knows this beforehand then how can the event be any different?

in fact I would say that in most cases, for the man at least, then paying for it is likely to be better as there would be no need to worry about your performance.

Far be it from me to encourage the outright ridiculousness of this topic but there is one fallacy I would like to point out with your above statement. You mentioned that the two parties "know beforehand". With a hooker the two parties certainly know beforehand but most one night stands are spontaneous rather than planned so what exactly are the two parties supposed to know beforehand?

 

[Kerr]

Psycholigically it is the same thing.

having a one nighter and paying for it is no different.

in this scenario then both man and woman are selling themselves.

Cannot see why they are the same psychologically. It is the same as saying apples and oranges are the same because they are both fruits.

 

[lunakilo]

yes, it would - the only difference being that she would be working for free.

Why is she the prostitute?

If anything, they are both prostitutes working for free according to your defintiton.
Is your view that women are just more wicked than men, or was that just a typo?