Is a prostitute and one-night stand the same?

[nnmartin]

So you expect a random person from Zimbabwe to know the rules of getting a work permit in Denmark?
If a person is promised work + a work permit and the arrives and finds out this is a lie, then what?

I am sure they have internet cafes in Zimbabwe - hence the girl can do some research on work permits etc..in advance.

The problem isn't that the girl gets kicked out. She is breaking the law working without a permit after all.
The problem is the pimp who gets away with it and probably ruins a young girls life in the process.

then it would be up to your legal system to find a way of prosecuting these pimps.

If prostitution wasn't legal he would probably not be able to make a proffit as easily.
He probably would find some other way to make money and fewer young girls would fall into his trap.

I agree here, and believe that prostitution should be legalised.

This would also combat the work permit issue as mentioned above.

 

[nnmartin]

You're changing the argument now. Earlier, you said a one-night stand was "exactly" like prostitution. Now, you're saying it's no longer exactly like prostitution? If so, you've lost the argument.

it is exactly like it in psychological terms when neither party is looking for anything further than temporary physical pleasure.

 

[nnmartin]

My argument that it is 'immoral' to buy sex because it is taking advantage of a person in a bad situation only works if you see this as damaging to the prostitute in some way.
That is, that the person who is a prostitute would choose not to be a prostitute if she(or he) had the choice.

but this is just the nature of capitalism.

one allows themselves to be exploited for monetary gain - ie: wages.

how is prostitution any more immoral than ditch digging or working in a mine or call centre?

This condition applies to virtually any job.

 

[nnmartin]

I don't see how the question -- is prostitution the same as a one-night stand -- is anything but prudish nonsense. I guess if you want to be a prude, you can be a prude. But it seems like such a waste of life to be one.

it is not really prudish as I am actually advocating the legalisation of prostitution here.

 

[nnmartin]

You are working under a false assumption. One night stands are rarely discussed prior to while one party may know that it is a one night stand it is rare that both parties do. Generally one finds out they were a one night stand only after the second stand fails to materialise.

sometimes perhaps, but in many cases one knows that it will only be one night.

Perhaps whilst on holiday, whilst the partner is away for a night, a business trip at a hotel etc..

many cases could be found where you have a pretty certain foresight that it would be for one time only.

in these cases, it is the same as paying.

 

[nnmartin]

I know both married guys and single guys who admit to buying it on occasion. I think both are less likely to be able to establish or maintain any high quality relationships with women, if it's just all about sex.

absolute garbage!

buying sex does not instantly turn one into a neanderthal that then has no ability to 'maintain a high quality relationship with women'.

The two things are entirely separate.

if you paid a nanny to take care of your children whilst away would that render you incapable of being a parent in the future? I think not, as the nanny would just be a temporary help , the same way as the prostitute would be for a single man.

 

[work in progress]

absolute garbage!

buying sex does not instantly turn one into a neanderthal that then has no ability to 'maintain a high quality relationship with women'.

The two things are entirely separate.

if you paid a nanny to take care of your children whilst away would that render you incapable of being a parent in the future? I think not, as the nanny would just be a temporary help , the same way as the prostitute would be for a single man.

No need to get your panties in a twist. I said less likely, not impossible. All I know is that, even as I grow older, the idea of transactional sex doesn't really appeal to me. To each his own I suppose. Don't know if the nanny analogy applies here any better than your other analogies; I am not a saint, I just have never felt right about the concept of sex with women I don't really know or know what they think about me. Sex with a prostitute sounds clinical, like going to the doctor's office to take care of a problem

 

[nnmartin]

I think that is down to social conditioning; a lot of which comes from subliminal Christian messaging.

We are told to believe that sex and love should be present at the same time - but that's complete nonsense as we are talking about a mere bodily function here.

Biblical and social messaging wants us to have a family and maintain the social order that this is supposed to bring. Hence we feel that if someone 'fancies' us there is at least some token love or friendship involved. But really it us usually nothing other than physical gratification.

One should be able to spend time in the company of a working girl and enjoy the physical intimacy, free from the social restrictions that have been forced into our minds by the corrupt churches and self-righteous masters.


This is progress.

 

[lunakilo]

I agree here, and believe that prostitution should be legalised.

This would also combat the work permit issue as mentioned above.

You lost me

How does legalizing prostitution solve the work permit issue?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

sometimes perhaps, but in many cases one knows that it will only be one night.

Perhaps whilst on holiday, whilst the partner is away for a night, a business trip at a hotel etc..

many cases could be found where you have a pretty certain foresight that it would be for one time only.

in these cases, it is the same as paying.

You don't really have a lot of experience in this area do you?

 

[Sunstone]

You don't really have a lot of experience in this area do you?

I think that's a very large part of the problem here. Most of us -- very much including the author of the OP (apparently) -- don't know all that much about what we're talking about in this thread. Thus, this thread has been very speculative.

 

[nnmartin]

You lost me

How does legalizing prostitution solve the work permit issue?

if it is legalised then girls will no longer need to work in the black market and , in theory, their bosses (ie:the brothels) can help to arrange a legal work permit.

 

[Songbird]

I think that's a very large part of the problem here. Most of us -- very much including the author of the OP (apparently) -- don't know all that much about what we're talking about in this thread. Thus, this thread has been very speculative.

Excellent point, and true of many topics.

 

[nnmartin]

I think that's a very large part of the problem here. Most of us -- very much including the author of the OP (apparently) -- don't know all that much about what we're talking about in this thread. Thus, this thread has been very speculative.

You don't really have a lot of experience in this area do you?

Now, this is just a prime example of what I am talking about.

You seem to be making some kind of jibe that I have no experience of one-night stands - and thus my supposed 'manhood' is questionable.

Now, who give a rats whether someone has scored 100 women or not - does that make any difference to anything?

I perceive that you two , feel your own manhoods' threatened by someone saying that a prostitute and one-night stand are the same.

It takes a few notches of your own personal 'bedposts' and compels you to defend your egos.

 

[kai]

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[9Westy9]

Is a prostitute and one-night stand the same?

No. Prostitutes are better and usually worth the price

 

[nnmartin]

I agree with you there!

 

[work in progress]

A little misogyny on the rocks, perhaps? It's pathetic to complain about one-night stands, because even today, young women aren't going to give away sex for free, without negotiating something in return. So, the few who will play the game with guys using obvious pickup lines, are more likely to just see how many drinks they can get, before walking away and going back to sit with her friends. I know it's been a lot years, but from what I hear, the game hasn't changed much.

 

[connermt]

I would say yes, there is no difference whatsoever in performing with a prostitute or having a one-night stand.

The only thing it comes down to is the belief that with a one-nighter there is some kind chance that the girl/man actually fancies you. However whether they do or not is utterly meaningless as there is no love involved.

Handing over money to a girl afterwards is no different to handing over your phone number, or money for drinks and meal.

exactly the same, except one's ego feels bigger with a one-nighter as it believes it has scored the 'real thing'.

agree, disagree?

No, by the strict definition of 'prostituting'.
Unless, the one night stand receives money for their "services". But in that case, who's the "john" and the "prostitute"?

But why are you assuming the "girl" is the prostitute in a one night stand and not you?

 

[blackout]

No, by the strict definition of 'prostituting'.
Unless, the one night stand receives money for their "services". But in that case, who's the "john" and the "prostitute"?

But why are you assuming the "girl" is the prostitute in a one night stand and not you?

Both parties are the prostitutes and the johns all at once.
It's a doubled, double role affair.

Prostitute-John meets Prostitute-John.
(or Prostitute-Jane, where applicable)