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Is America a Police state?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This was included in the report.
Well..... it is the USA, where mostly anybody can be in possession of a gun..... even carrying one in their pocket in, say, shopping centres! You want it this way..... you got it. Now live with it.
Are walking stick guns legal? Did his stick look 'wrong'? I once owned a .419 stick gun with a push-twist silencer attachment, long since smashed up due to new legislation about 25-30 years ago. (Side note: It was unbelievably silent when using 2" cartridges, yet unbelievably loud when using 2.5" cartridges, that is with the silencer attached).
You really should consider tightening up your firearms legislation. Really.
Here in the real world, murder by walking stick shootings is so exceedingly rare, that there is no need for a cop to shoot someone with a walking stick as a preemptive measure. But to the larger point, our problem is trigger happy & brutal thugs who become cops, & then are difficult to hold accountable for their actions.
Criminy....I once used a walking stick (while recovering from surgery on a broken leg) & drove a truck. The thought that a cop might shoot me for that is creepy.
 
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Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
I started to read the 'News Report', then read two comments from site visitors...... that was enough for me. I didn't bother with the rest of it.
So what you are telling me is that you are about to give your uneducated opinion on a topic you were too lazy to actually read?

Here are just two comments from site visitors:-
Ace • 14 days ago
Comments from site visitors have no relevance to the news story. This is a red herring.


Now let me tell you what would probably happen in England.
1. These two site visitors above would be arrested. Yes, ARRESTED..... for incitement to commit a crime (Criminal Attempts Act 1981). Not just any little crime, but Murder.

2. The web site could well find itself being investigated for supporting and allowing such comments to be published. I also read:-
Another red herring. England punishing its citizens for free speech has no bearing on this topic.

This amounts to printed lies.
Actually it is quite correct. Police in the US do, and are trained to, lie to citizens in order to catch them (or make them) commit a crime.


The fact that you seem to be defending what the cops did in this instance is quite sickening. Perhaps next time you should actually bother to read the article. Instead of coming right out and saying you ignored it, and then go off on some irrelevant tangent.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Hi..... Shadow Wolf.

Well...... of course it's not too hard to get arrested for resisting arrest. The person has already been arrested, and is resisting that arrest, so they're going to be reported for a second offence.... resisting arrest. The person must have done something to become a suspect in the first place. OK?

I remember what I used to do when people assaulted and battered me. Assault is trying to hurt somebody or succeeding. Battery is when you've actually been struck with a blow. Now..... do you think it would be fair to arrest the scum-bag who committed either of these crimes and drag their nasty little backside into a court?
My friend, the police are not your friend. All it takes is a dog, who is not actually at the scene, to smell something and they can search you. They are encouraged and instructed to lie to us, so how can we possibly trust them? Even when it's something as petty as using their lights just to go through a red light, or something serious like shooting unarmed and innocent people, the corruption of the police in America is far beyond a level of tolerance.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Criminy....I once used a walking stick (while recovering from surgery on a broken leg) & drove a truck. The thought that a cop might shoot me for that is creepy.

......... excellent! Good! Now we are getting somewhere. And so, if you ruled America, and this citizen said to you:-
'Please Mr President Revolting, can we make it into a Federal criminal offence for anybody to be in possession of a walking stick-gun in a public place, or any gun that is made to look like something else, 'cos my aunt Agatha uses crutches and worries that folks might mistake her for a bank robber.........'

.......... you could say ,'Hell, son, I used to be scared stiff to go into a public place holding a torch for that very reason. OK, you got it, guns deliberated manufactured to look innocent, like pens or sticks, will be banned in the USA.'

.... you've just started to introduce some sensible legislation on guns..... into the USA! History book stuff. Teacher talking to class in 2278 CE...... 'And what is Mr Revolting famous for?' 'Please Miss..... I know Mis' :D

(I know..... I know...... not normal........ :) )
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
So what you are telling me is that you are about to give your uneducated opinion on a topic you were too lazy to actually read?
Oh..... I briefly glanced at the 'claims'. Happy Valentine's outing turns into heated row in movie-theatre. Woman runs out into street chased by man. Police think 'Is that woman safe?' 'Who is that man chasing her' and when approached by them he redirects his rage..... onto them' ...... sort of thing? They might have (or might not have' used too much force, but you ain't ever going to know the truth by reading a journalistic report. Do you believe every report you read? :biglaugh:

Comments from site visitors have no relevance to the news story. This is a red herring.
..... these were not moderated, and tell me everything I need to know about that site and it's articles..... they seem as if deliberately intended to wind-up fools.

Another red herring. England punishing its citizens for free speech has no bearing on this topic.
This tells me everything that I need to know....... everything.
You don't know your own laws, do you? Do you think it's legal and 'free speech' to incite or solicit crimes in America?

Actually it is quite correct. Police in the US do, and are trained to, lie to citizens in order to catch them (or make them) commit a crime.
Source......

The fact that you seem to be defending what the cops did in this instance is quite sickening. Perhaps next time you should actually bother to read the article. Instead of coming right out and saying you ignored it, and then go off on some irrelevant tangent.
I don't know what happened. You don't know what happened.
But, if those Police officers had stood by and done nothing, with a 'Huh.... just a domestic.... no need for us to bother'. attitude, and that man had battered that woman, would you be supporting their decision?

So..... yes...... I am defending them against your idea about what would be justice. Justice is to discover as much about the incident as possible, and obtain a judgement..... from a judge. I believe that you are far too biased to be unprejudiced about any such reports.

I tell you, I once held respect for your country. But not many of its citizens seem to respect it themselves, so why should I?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
My friend, the police are not your friend. All it takes is a dog, who is not actually at the scene, to smell something and they can search you. They are encouraged and instructed to lie to us, so how can we possibly trust them? Even when it's something as petty as using their lights just to go through a red light, or something serious like shooting unarmed and innocent people, the corruption of the police in America is far beyond a level of tolerance.

You are 'the people'. Your votes (if you vote) can change laws, etc.

So if you all wish, you can ban dog searches.
You can dismiss police who cannot prove that they needed to use their lights, to go through traffic lights.
You can make it a capital offence (execution) where any officer shoots a person who later is discovered to have been innocent (would you like to include civilians in that?)
You can vote to get rid of your police, and just have civilian 'watch' groups.
It is up to you, the voters.
But be careful about what you wish for.

And I repeat 'where a person resists arrest, they have already committed an arrestable offence'.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
......... excellent! Good! Now we are getting somewhere. And so, if you ruled America, and this citizen said to you:-
'Please Mr President Revolting, can we make it into a Federal criminal offence for anybody to be in possession of a walking stick-gun in a public place, or any gun that is made to look like something else, 'cos my aunt Agatha uses crutches and worries that folks might mistake her for a bank robber.........'

.......... you could say ,'Hell, son, I used to be scared stiff to go into a public place holding a torch for that very reason. OK, you got it, guns deliberated manufactured to look innocent, like pens or sticks, will be banned in the USA.'

.... you've just started to introduce some sensible legislation on guns..... into the USA! History book stuff. Teacher talking to class in 2278 CE...... 'And what is Mr Revolting famous for?' 'Please Miss..... I know Mis' :D

(I know..... I know...... not normal........ :) )
You are a very strange man.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You are 'the people'. Your votes (if you vote) can change laws, etc.

So if you all wish, you can ban dog searches.
You can dismiss police who cannot prove that they needed to use their lights, to go through traffic lights.
You can make it a capital offence (execution) where any officer shoots a person who later is discovered to have been innocent (would you like to include civilians in that?)
You can vote to get rid of your police, and just have civilian 'watch' groups.
It is up to you, the voters.
But be careful about what you wish for.

And I repeat 'where a person resists arrest, they have already committed an arrestable offence'.
Now, this one would be fun to respond to!
But I must let Shadow Wolf have first dibs.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Now, this one would be fun to respond to!
But I must let Shadow Wolf have first dibs.
Vielen Dank!

You are 'the people'. Your votes (if you vote) can change laws, etc.

So if you all wish, you can ban dog searches.
You can dismiss police who cannot prove that they needed to use their lights, to go through traffic lights.
You can make it a capital offence (execution) where any officer shoots a person who later is discovered to have been innocent (would you like to include civilians in that?)
You can vote to get rid of your police, and just have civilian 'watch' groups.
It is up to you, the voters.
But be careful about what you wish for.

And I repeat 'where a person resists arrest, they have already committed an arrestable offence'.
Do you know how hard any of that is? So many people actually believe in the whole "if you have nothing to hide" and "it makes us safe" crap that does just the opposite of what they tell us it's supposed to be. How can we show they are using their emergency lights to get past traffic lights when they are trying to make it so we can't record them? In a nearby town, concerning the pig who tased an elderly man, the county did fire him, but another country over turned. Maybe things aren't bad in England, but here in America police corruption is alarming. Even in their training manuals/text books (which I have one) they are instructed to lie to us and to coerce us into cooperation. There is even a whole section in the book on "coerced cooperation" and how to get it from us, which revolves mostly around lying to people who are assumed to not know their rights, and to convince them that it is in their own good and interests to passively allow their Constitutional rights to be violated. To me, lying and coercion is not a part of "to serve and protect."
Also fighting the cops is a serious risk. They may never be able to arrest you for anything (but they will watch you like a hawk), but it is very likely you will be harassed by them. It's also "your" word against "their" word, and people in our society are so sickeningly obedient and submissive to authority that many wouldn't think of questioning the word of authority, let alone even entertaining the idea of standing up against them (if you ever want you stuff dumped, thrown, tossed, and scattered about the roadside all you have to do is stand up for yourself against a cop).
And resisting arrest is so easy to get charged with that even if someone is scared and uncooperative, they can be hit with resisting. Run before your arrested and make them actually do physical work? You resisted. Have a mouth while you're being arrested, then you are also resisting. Actually, unless the incident was recorded, who is to say what sort of resistance took place? Does someone with severe schizophrenia really resist arrest (here they do)? I do believe it was covered on this thread how some pigs poked people to get them to flinch, which becomes assault on a police officer. Sure some would say that doesn't go on, but then again, some departments and officers say that yes, they have a monthly quota on traffic tickets to write, and some say they don't (I think it depends on the state, county, and city if it happens or not).
Actually, I do wish they police would go away. They are good for nothing more than enforcing centralized power. They occasionally catch a real bad guy, but because the [American (I'm not sure about British)] "criminal justice system" is so corrupt and flawed itself that a rapist will be back on the streets much sooner than someone caught with an ounce of pot. Why shouldn't a community take care of itself and handle its own criminals? Actually, I think it might do society some good if some compassionate citizens were in charge of societies criminals, because then at least those who were actually put in a bad position or just made mistakes could be exposed to a friendly and supportive environment that is trying to help them better themselves than having them thrown into a system that is going to turn them into hardened and better criminals.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Do you know how hard any of that is? So many people actually believe in the whole "if you have nothing to hide" and "it makes us safe" crap that does just the opposite of what they tell us it's supposed to be. How can we show they are using their emergency lights to get past traffic lights when they are trying to make it so we can't record them? In a nearby town, concerning the pig who tased an elderly man, the county did fire him, but another country over turned. Maybe things aren't bad in England, but here in America police corruption is alarming. Even in their training manuals/text books (which I have one) they are instructed to lie to us and to coerce us into cooperation. There is even a whole section in the book on "coerced cooperation" and how to get it from us, which revolves mostly around lying to people who are assumed to not know their rights, and to convince them that it is in their own good and interests to passively allow their Constitutional rights to be violated. To me, lying and coercion is not a part of "to serve and protect."
Also fighting the cops is a serious risk. They may never be able to arrest you for anything (but they will watch you like a hawk), but it is very likely you will be harassed by them. It's also "your" word against "their" word, and people in our society are so sickeningly obedient and submissive to authority that many wouldn't think of questioning the word of authority, let alone even entertaining the idea of standing up against them (if you ever want you stuff dumped, thrown, tossed, and scattered about the roadside all you have to do is stand up for yourself against a cop).
And resisting arrest is so easy to get charged with that even if someone is scared and uncooperative, they can be hit with resisting. Run before your arrested and make them actually do physical work? You resisted. Have a mouth while you're being arrested, then you are also resisting. Actually, unless the incident was recorded, who is to say what sort of resistance took place? Does someone with severe schizophrenia really resist arrest (here they do)? I do believe it was covered on this thread how some pigs poked people to get them to flinch, which becomes assault on a police officer. Sure some would say that doesn't go on, but then again, some departments and officers say that yes, they have a monthly quota on traffic tickets to write, and some say they don't (I think it depends on the state, county, and city if it happens or not).
Actually, I do wish they police would go away. They are good for nothing more than enforcing centralized power. They occasionally catch a real bad guy, but because the [American (I'm not sure about British)] "criminal justice system" is so corrupt and flawed itself that a rapist will be back on the streets much sooner than someone caught with an ounce of pot. Why shouldn't a community take care of itself and handle its own criminals? Actually, I think it might do society some good if some compassionate citizens were in charge of societies criminals, because then at least those who were actually put in a bad position or just made mistakes could be exposed to a friendly and supportive environment that is trying to help them better themselves than having them thrown into a system that is going to turn them into hardened and better criminals.

Well........... phew! I read all that post carefully.
That is the only response that I want to give.
:)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
You are a very strange man.

A facetious approach to a totally biased and unhealthy approach to legislation, enforcement and judgement is the best way to handle it, maybe?

I suspect that for you the glue might have set, rock hard, so why wouldn't I lighten things up a bit?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A facetious approach to a totally biased and unhealthy approach to legislation, enforcement and judgement is the best way to handle it, maybe?
I suspect that for you the glue might have set, rock hard, so why wouldn't I lighten things up a bit?
I can't tell what you're getting at, but at least it seems mirthful.
How on Earth does Mrs Badger put up with you?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Fall River Man Arrested For Videotaping Police Officer « CBS Boston
George Thompson says last January he was just sitting on his front porch, watching a Fall River police officer working a paid detail. Thompson says the officer was on his phone and was swearing very loud.
That’s when Thompson pulled out his phone. Thompson says Officer Tom Barboza then rushed him and arrested him, charging him with unlawful wiretapping.
But in Massachusetts it’s perfectly legal to record video and audio of a public official, including police, as long as they are performing their duties and the recording isn’t hidden. Barboza’s own police report shows that Thompson acknowledged he was recording the officer.

“I think we all have our basic rights and I think people should not record others secretly or surreptitiously,” Fall River Police Chief Daniel Racine told WPRI.
Thompson was released from jail, but police kept his phone and that’s where the story takes an interesting turn.
Thompson claims that two days after his arrest, his phone, which was locked up at the police station, somehow had all of the video erased.
“If a Fall River police officer erased that video, he’s fired,” Chief Racine said. “And I would suspect the district attorney would take out charges.”
George Thompson is not buying it. “They’re investigating themselves and there’s a code of blue and everybody knows that,” Thompson says.
It makes me wonder...are the vast majority of cops crooked in many places?
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Heres finally a degree of " justice" concerning imprisionment of teens for profit, but at the same time, bone cold chilling looking at our future as a nation, in light profiteering of this sort at the cost of human freedom and rights continues on. These judges just so happened to get caught.

The tragic thing is one of the imprisoned teens in this particular incident had since commited suicide, distraught over what these horrible people did to him. This young man lies in a grave.

If this continues like this, not just for teens, but anybody for shockingly minor infractions, this country's notion of freedom and equality will be over.

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Judge Gets 28 Years for Selling Kids to Private Prisons - YouTube


Second yt vid...

Pennsylvania Judge Sentenced To 28 Years In Prison For Selling Teens To Prisons! - YouTube
 
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freethinker44

Well-Known Member
Here's another public execution by police.
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Oklahoma police beat Luis Rodriguez to death in front of theater in front of wife & daughter - YouTube
This video was after he was already beaten unconscious, even though the officers are going through there "stop resisting" spiel, it is clear that the man is unconscious at this point. He is pronounced dead at the hospital. You can see the one officer propping him up so it isn't immediately apparent that they've just beaten a man to death for not pulling out his ID when asked.
Unarmed father beaten to death outside movie theater while trying to settle family dispute | Police State USA


Also, this is a men's right's issue. They got a domestic dispute call and went straight for father who was actually trying to calm down the dispute which was between the mother and daughter. That's off-topic though, just wanted to point it out.

BTW, is it against the rules to post videos of the police executing people in public?
 
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