oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
would i let it die? Never! I wouldn't have anything to grouch about!
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Is America a Police state?
- Thread starter Revoltingest
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Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
The video shows a different story. The man seemed to be collecting his stuff as if he were preparing to come down the hill. He was far to separated from the cops to pose any real threat to them with knifes, given the rough terrain. The cops then throw a flash bang, wich seems to stun the guy. He drops all his gear, puts his hands up, and turns around to bend down as if to get on the ground (which is what the cops are yelling at him to do). At this point the cops murder him. And I say murder because there was absolutely no reason for them to shoot him, especially with live rounds. Its hard to cover up a cold blooded killing when you video tapped yourself doing it. Hopefully they will be brought up on homicide charges.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Oh, I completely agree with you. He was shot in the back and as he was on the ground begged and pleaded with them to not hurt him anymore. They clearly had the advantage. It looked like there was blood on a big rock in front of him. I'm wondering if he hit his head as he was being murdered by police. I'm wondering where it goes from here. They're talking about throwing money at training police....but I could care less about that right now as I want to see some justice served and not a slap on the wrist.......
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Bump!
Now..... where were we? Ah, yes....... Is America a Police State?
Nah! Just look at the 'cops per 100,000 folks' ratios which real police states can accrue!
Now America don't come in the statistics at all.... it's so far down the list it's out of sight.
You only field 233 'cops' per 100,000 residents, which is a very low number. America comes in at about 43rd.
Here are the top 21 nations. Ready?
The World's Biggest Police States - Business Insider
MEXICO 366 PER 100,000 POPULATION
FRANCE 369
SLOVENIA 386
HONG KONG 393
ZIMBABWE 401
CZECH REPUBLIC 405
NORTHERN IRELAND 411
BULGARIA 442
CROATIA 446
GREECE 452
MALTA 459
MACEDONIA 484
TURKEY 484
PORTUGAL 485
SPAIN 494
ITALY 552
ARGENTINA 558
CYPRUS 668
RUSSIA 976
BRUNEI 1074
BELARUS 1442
EGYPT 1493
Now..... where were we? Ah, yes....... Is America a Police State?
Nah! Just look at the 'cops per 100,000 folks' ratios which real police states can accrue!
Now America don't come in the statistics at all.... it's so far down the list it's out of sight.
You only field 233 'cops' per 100,000 residents, which is a very low number. America comes in at about 43rd.
Here are the top 21 nations. Ready?
The World's Biggest Police States - Business Insider
MEXICO 366 PER 100,000 POPULATION
FRANCE 369
SLOVENIA 386
HONG KONG 393
ZIMBABWE 401
CZECH REPUBLIC 405
NORTHERN IRELAND 411
BULGARIA 442
CROATIA 446
GREECE 452
MALTA 459
MACEDONIA 484
TURKEY 484
PORTUGAL 485
SPAIN 494
ITALY 552
ARGENTINA 558
CYPRUS 668
RUSSIA 976
BRUNEI 1074
BELARUS 1442
EGYPT 1493
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
How many police that are employed doesn't make a country a police state. As shown in many of the videos and news articles posted here, a handful of police is all that is needed to terrorize a community.
It is level of corruption and rights violations routinely practiced by police agencies, sometimes as a matter of policy.
It is taking a SWAT team to serve simple warrants.
It's police and border patrol conducting suspicionless stops on motorists and illegally searching their vehicles and detaining people unlawfully as per their written policy.
It is the stop-and-frisk policies.
It is a police officer calmly pulling his pistol out and shooting in the back a handcuffed man and only getting a 2 year sentence.
It is policies that allow officers to confiscate money during a traffic stop without charging you for a crime, but simply because you had too much money.
It is having the largest prison population in the world, outperforming even the strictest countries.
This is what makes a police state, not how many police are employed by the state.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Albuquerque, New Mexico Police Department uses "excessive force," Department Of Justice finds - CBS News
But their their jack booted thugery goes deeper......
But their their jack booted thugery goes deeper......
» Federal Snipers Train Guns on Family For Filming Cattle Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
The feds sure do like to point guns at people who are no threat.
The feds sure do like to point guns at people who are no threat.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Filming the government is a threat... to them. You know who else is threatened by cameras? Criminals. Just saying.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Nah!
In general answer to the above 2-3 posts, let's just look at the situation.
1. The majority of you appear tpo want easy access to guns for mostly anybody.
2. Your cops get shot for nothing, out of the blue, carrying out the most routine functions.
3. After a period of time on the job, they know they can die at any time, for no reason, shot by murderers and maniacs.
Now you can't con us Brits, because we see masses, literally masses of US police vids of US citizens doing the most crazy things. We often see film of Law Enforcers getting shot in the guts after stopping speeding motorists and asking for their licences etc. Oh yes we do!
I suspect that many Police State conspiracy nuts fancy themselves as cops, the only problem being that if they could hold the job down for a year they would be pulling guns on jay walkers, or anybody who moved towards pocket, bag, map pocket or boot. They would be useless! I would love to discover how many US citizens shoot folks in friendly fire situations, but that would take some digital detection skill which I don't have.
I particularly liked recent posts about cops getting judges to sign search warrants so that folks could be shot in bed. It could happen, but not to nail the local mail deliverer or store manager.
Yes........ you get bad doctors, naughty dentists, wicked bar owners and bad cops, but some of you make it look like every cop you've got is a fraudulent, thieving murderer........... in which case, what the hell are you doing in America? Why haven't you fled to Cambodia or somewhere?
Well?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Let me ask you: which of the following countries has a more just and decent police force than the US of A?
Take your pick!
MEXICO 366 PER 100,000 POPULATION
FRANCE 369
SLOVENIA 386
HONG KONG 393
ZIMBABWE401
CZECH REPUBLIC405
NORTHERN IRELAND 411
BULGARIA 442
CROATIA 446
GREECE 452
MALTA 459
MACEDONIA484
TURKEY 484
PORTUGAL485
SPAIN 494
ITALY 552
ARGENTINA 558
CYPRUS 668
RUSSIA 976
BRUNEI 1074
BELARUS 1442
EGYPT 1493
.....which of these countries would you like to move to?
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
You would be more likely to be imprisoned in the US than any of those countries. And why do we have to move? Why can't we just fix the problems?
If the article is right, TSA can refuse to let you fly if you cannot speak.
TSA bars mute stroke victim from flight, forces 8-hour bus ride | New York Post
TSA bars mute stroke victim from flight, forces 8-hour bus ride | New York Post
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
The TSA has a ridiculous amount of power. They get away with so much, and all anyone can say is, "if you don't like it, don't fly".
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
...... One post was more interested in revenge than training. Not all are truly interested in mpvong forward.
First it would be necessary to understand the problems, which are not about policing, more about people. You have chosen to criticise cops who many who are traumatised, frightened, lack regular counselling and training reviews, etc.
at 233 lps per 100000 they may be understaffed
and you are in a gunsawash country.
i guess that a massive% of cops fell over the stress threshold a long time ago.
if you worked as a cop for a year you would not be the mindset, ever again, is my guess. I worked a process server, tracer and com detevtove in England for decades, trained thousands of ops, made over 30 training and intro films, but i would not have worked on usa. I don't know how such folks, esp cops, cope.
excuse typos... On phone
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
so you live, not just in a police state, but an airline state?
tsa would probably not allow me to fly because i suffer from labrynthitus.
The airlines don't really control the TSA.
Your ilk should just be imprisoned...preferably here....
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
sorry, i did not realise that tsa is transport security admin. I thought it wad a bloody airline.The airlines don't really control the TSA.
Your ilk should just be imprisoned...preferably here....
sufferers of labrynthitus don't need prisons, we get our own uniquely cruel version every now and then.
who the hell is Willie?
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Man holds three men hostage with a knife. Cops arrive, shoot two victims as they flee, killing one, then arrest the assailant and charge him with murdering the guy they just shot to death as he was trying to escape, write in report that the two men shot were "aggressing" them.
It's bad when a crazy guy stabbing your friends with a knife is less terrifying than the police.
Aspiring TV producer mistakenly killed by deputies in West Hollywood - latimes.com
It's bad when a crazy guy stabbing your friends with a knife is less terrifying than the police.
Aspiring TV producer mistakenly killed by deputies in West Hollywood - latimes.com
Can the government seize your tax refund to pay a relative's debt? - CBS News
This portends great new power for the IRS. Beforehand, it was only for fraud
that the statute of limitations did not apply. It seems that now, the fed can
simply claim money is owed, going back farther than any taxpayer could
reasonably be expected to keep exculpating records.
But here's the big question: Will Oldbadger come to defend this practice too?
This portends great new power for the IRS. Beforehand, it was only for fraud
that the statute of limitations did not apply. It seems that now, the fed can
simply claim money is owed, going back farther than any taxpayer could
reasonably be expected to keep exculpating records.
But here's the big question: Will Oldbadger come to defend this practice too?