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Is America a Police state?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It depends on what you mean by crooked. Do you mean that all cops are in league with crime and criminals? I doubt it. But are almost all cops willing to cover for each other and families of other cops? Yes. The sheriff's son getting arrested is different than say you or I getting arrested.
This is indeed a very major problem. If a sheriff's kid is caught with a small amount of pot, probably nothing will happen. If I'm caught with a small bag of pot, I have an "outstanding student" status that would likely grant me some leniency (along with a few other factors that would play in under such a scenario). If my brother's brother-in-law (who has severe schizophrenia) is caught with a small bag of pot, he will be arrested on the spot and taken into custody just because he has a record, even though his entire record is due to his mental illness. If just about any racial/ethnic minority is found to have a small amount, they are likely going to be arrested and taken into custody, their future pending on if they can afford a real attorney or if they got stuck with a public defender.

A facetious approach to a totally biased and unhealthy approach to legislation, enforcement and judgement is the best way to handle it, maybe?

I suspect that for you the glue might have set, rock hard, so why wouldn't I lighten things up a bit?
I see nothing unhealthy about it. In America laws are made to benefit those who are already prosperous. In regards to police, they are gaining more and more "protections" while we are loosing more and more rights. In Indiana there was a crisis when a judge stripped us of our right to refuse unwarranted police searches. If the police knocked on our doors and wanted to search, a judge told us we cannot say no, even if the pigs don't have a search warrant or probable cause. They could just walk right in and start searching in a manner that is illegal according to the American Constitution, fourth amendment.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Here's one from Michigan, not an execution this time, just cops stealing thousands of dollars worth of property because they found about 70 dollars worth of marijuana.
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Cops Caught On Tape Talking About Stealing Man's Property - YouTube
Excellent catch there, bub! Yeah, it's been a problem here that cops will steal from us & abuse us without sanction....usually. I'm glad to hear these organized criminals infecting the state police will face prosecution. Always record them.
Btw, the Institute For Justice mentioned in the news piece is an organization I belong to. We fight "policing for profit", & other abuses by government. (Note: It's not the same as the Justice League. We don't wear tights.)
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
Excellent catch there, bub! Yeah, it's been a problem here that cops will steal from us & abuse us without sanction....usually. I'm glad to hear these organized criminals infecting the state police will face prosecution. Always record them.
Btw, the Institute For Justice mentioned in the news piece is an organization I belong to. We fight "policing for profit", & other abuses by government. (Note: It's not the same as the Justice League. We don't wear tights.)

Also, to add to that video, I don't think it's right that they can get a search warrant with an anonymous tip. I can see a compelling reason for it if there is immediate danger to someone, but for anything? No, that means they can pretty much just get a search warrant at anytime without any probable cause. They want to raid your house they just make something up and tell the judge they got anonymous tip.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Also, to add to that video, I don't think it's right that they can get a search warrant with an anonymous tip. I can see a compelling reason for it if there is immediate danger to someone, but for anything? No, that means they can pretty much just get a search warrant at anytime without any probable cause. They want to raid your house they just make something up and tell the judge they got anonymous tip.
Exactly!
The ease of trumping up a charge suggests that judges are in on the scam.
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
Exactly!
The ease of trumping up a charge suggests that judges are in on the scam.

Right, and it makes it easy for a cop to basically legally assassinate people. If you want to kill someone you just get a search warrant with an anonymous tip, raid their house in the middle of the night and shoot them in their bed say you thought they were reaching for a weapon.

How many stories have we seen now where cops have done exactly that, woke someone up in the middle of the night and shot them? Kind of puts a different perspective on that now.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Also, to add to that video, I don't think it's right that they can get a search warrant with an anonymous tip. I can see a compelling reason for it if there is immediate danger to someone, but for anything? No, that means they can pretty much just get a search warrant at anytime without any probable cause. They want to raid your house they just make something up and tell the judge they got anonymous tip.
I'm guessing it's anywhere in the good 'ole U.S. of A., but at least where I live all that is needed is for a dog, who isn't even on the scene yet, to smell something in your car and they will search you. And if you don't know your rights (especially the one about shutting up, zipping your lips, and saying absolutely nothing save for "I don't consent to searches.") it's very easy to dig yourself into a hole you can't get out of.
Really, the best defense we have as citizens, while we still have them, is surveillance of the police and the right to remain silent (and do make every attempt to have the ability to do so).
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm guessing it's anywhere in the good 'ole U.S. of A., but at least where I live all that is needed is for a dog, who isn't even on the scene yet, to smell something in your car and they will search you. And if you don't know your rights (especially the one about shutting up, zipping your lips, and saying absolutely nothing save for "I don't consent to searches.") it's very easy to dig yourself into a hole you can't get out of.
Really, the best defense we have as citizens, while we still have them, is surveillance of the police and the right to remain silent (and do make every attempt to have the ability to do so).
Your post suggested to me that there should be a short course in preserving one's civil liberties when dealing with cops.
It wouldn't work in public schools because of general government complicity, so a private venue makes sense.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Your post suggested to me that there should be a short course in preserving one's civil liberties when dealing with cops.
It wouldn't work in public schools because of general government complicity, so a private venue makes sense.
I have watched a video, I think it was called 10-tips for dealing with the police, or something like that. A local "tobacco" pipe store hands outs cards that highlight your rights and what to do and not do during a police pull over and search. There is a push for awareness of these and for courses so people are aware of their rights, but being made aware means going back on all that "respect authority" and "police are your friends" crap we are taught as children.
And in my high school, though through a class specifically for personal and business law and rights, it did work. It was as thorough or comprehensive as other material I've seen (the teacher wasn't a lawyer after all), but it was a good building blocks step along the way.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That's what I was thinking. I'm assuming it will never get passed into law, I still have a little faith in humanity but just when I think it can't get worse, it does.
Faith is a risky thing because it can be destroyed.
I prefer hope....it only causes disappointment.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Woman Claims Police Forced Her To Poop In Yard « CBS Tampa
NEW SMYRNA BEACH, Fla. (CBS Tampa) — A Florida woman claims in a lawsuit that police officers forced her to poop in her yard while they were searching her home for meth.
In a lawsuit that a federal judge said must be amended, Dawn Brooks is suing Volusia County and New Smyrna Beach for the alleged incident, according to Courthouse News Service.
In the lawsuit, Brooks claims that officers refused to let her use the bathroom inside her home or in the officers’ truck after she was led out in handcuffs.
The officers reportedly “told her to ‘just use the restroom right there’ in the front yard,” U.S. District Judge Roy Dalton Jr. wrote, Courthouse News Service reports.
The lawsuit states that the officers laughed at her while she was changing into a plastic jumpsuit after going to the bathroom in her yard.
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
Another execution. This started over illegally camping, when the man surrendered and decided to walk down the mountain with the police they killed him. They had non-lethal projectiles to use, which they did fire, but they also fired good-ole-fashion bullets too, because **** it. The police are under criminal investigation for this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SzpZbkgjJ8
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Cameras Weren
On March 16, two members of the Albuquerque Police Department fatally shot James Boyd, a homeless man reportedly suffering from schizophrenia. The 38-year-old wasn’t a terribly sympathetic figure—he had also been arrested a dozen times, usually for violent assaults, including attacks on law enforcement officers—but the details of his death are still troubling. On the day of the shooting, he was confronted by cops for camping illegally and wouldn’t put down a pair of knives, which resulted in a three-hour “standoff.” Eventually, Boyd began threatening to kill the officers and ranting in an unhinged manner about the Department of Defense. Cops first used a flash-bang grenade and beanbags against Boyd, but they didn't incapacitate him, so the police shot an unknown number of live rounds at him, at least one of which struck him. (Officers Dominique Perez and Keith Sandy, who fired their guns, are now on leave. Sandy was previously fired from a police job for fraud.)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Has anyone had a bad experience with law enforcement?
Hello Revolting!!!! It's me, Old-B...... remember me? :)
Your thread is getting boring. I just lied. Your thread has always been boring, copying tatty reports filled with bits-and-pieces evidence written by 'need a story' journalists using HHTs (hysterical half truths).
But there will have been genuine reports about bad cops, because in any bunch of humans you get bad-guys.
So I thought I would contribute, yet again.....

You asked:- Has anyone had a bad experience with law enforcement?
Well, yes, I have. In April 1982 I rode my motor scooter down St Stephen's Hill, Canterbury at 30 mph. I rode over a 2-sensor speed trap. As I rode over it a motorcycle overtook me. We both got stopped and reported for speeding at 41mph. I told 'em! I told the court! I still got nobbled with an endorsement (one of the last endorsements ever issued, cos we went over to the points-system soon afterwards). B-stards!

Well, I wondered about you. What happened to you? Maybe you left a forklift by a fire hydrant or something? You see, everybody gets reported for something unfairly. Sour taste in mouth?

But I loved the posts about judges signing search warrants for police to shoot 'targets' in their beds. That was fun. Or maybe they do? We Brits did stuff in Northern Ireland that makes bad Michigan cops look pathetic. That's what got me looking into your fears more closely.

I typed in (Ohhh I'm not opening them....... you can do that if you like.....):- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...kK1JD0fBFY5crLHUMH_aiYJVgobTGLtcFKU6ClB3kcqBX
........ to discover that we have a Police State pack of false flaggers as well.... :)

So I tried France:- http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/universal-credit-big-brother.jpg


So I tried Iceland:- http://www.savingiceland.org/wp-content/gallery/2008-protest/iceland-police-state.jpg
(That says something like 'Police State' ...OK?)

So I tried Luxembourg ....... bloody luxembourg! :- http://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/005/463/0000546326_500.jpg
Yep....... little luxembourg....

So ...... what about 'World Police State'? :- The global meltdown will lead to a worldwide police state with a one world dictator. But when? Alan Franklin ponders the question.
What’s coming fast down the pike? A world-wide police state! Our friend and mentor Barry Smith from New Zealand .................

Yep..... That bloke lived in NZ.......

Your thoughts about recording the acts of public 'servants'?
........... so...... having viewed the above info....... the answer to your Thread question 'Is America a Police State?' I propose the answer 'Only for a short time'.............. because if we don't destroy ourselves we might become a world order, and then folks like you can moan about 'Is the World a Police State?' . See? Think about it...... instead of trawling crappy mags for HHTs in just Americastan, you can dig up stuff from ....... ummmm..... Bangladesh...? Actually you could do that now. When did you last hear of one of your relatives being foot whipped for info?

So you could stop being p-ssed off about that ticket you got 'cos you left a forklift in some stupid place (or whatever), and look at the bigger picture..... A World Police State..... you're gonna love the reports, cos they goin' to be bad,, I mean BAD! You lot don't know when you got it good. The most spoiled kids scream about nothing all the time...... are you lot spoiled?
 
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