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Is America a Police state?

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Engyo said:
With a broom handle?
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Such rude & dangerous treatment is reserved for citizens.
A cop might get a harsh talking to by his superior.
In egregious cases, the cop might even be suspended with pay for a spell.
Imagine his disgrace...not having to work but being paid anyway. Oh, the horror!
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Education officials break down Stockton man's door | news10.net

STOCKTON, CA - Kenneth Wright does not have a criminal record and he had no reason to believe a S.W.A.T team would be breaking down his door at 6 a.m. on Tuesday.
"I look out of my window and I see 15 police officers," Wright said.
Wright came downstairs in his boxer shorts as a S.W.A.T team barged through his front door. Wright said an officer grabbed him by the neck and led him outside on his front lawn.
"He had his knee on my back and I had no idea why they were there," Wright said.
According to Wright, officers also woke his three young children ages 3, 7, and 11 and put them in a Stockton police patrol car with him. Officers then searched his house.
As it turned out, the person law enforcement was looking for was not there - Wright's estranged wife.
"They put me in handcuffs in that hot patrol car for six hours, traumatizing my kids," Wright said.
 
gnomon

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Everyone knows what a bad cop is. Three of them should be hanging from a gallows right now rather than serving rather mild sentences for the killing of Kathryn Johnston.

We also know who the good cops are. They are the ones with their fingers up their noses while the bad cops are breaking the law.

The best cops. They are the ones who are getting fired for speaking out against abuse of power.

In a recent scam, or police work, the Anne Arundel Police Department, State of Maryland and the Feds were able to just take money from online gamblers directly, never charge anyone with anything and get to keep all the money. Remember, if you want to gamble, play the lottery, such as the Maryland State Lottery. But aren't we happy we now have a President in office who was going to change the way things worked.
 
Requia

Requia

Active Member
Songbird said:
Yay!

I'm confused about one aspect of the story, though. The article said:
"You have the right, recognized by the TSA, to fly without showing ID. “It happens all the time. We have a procedure for that,” according to the lead TSA “Travel Document Checker” at the Albuquerque airport. Signs and announcements in airports saying that all passengers must present ID are false."

But I checked the TSA website, and it said, "Effective June 21, 2008, adult passengers (18 and over) are required to show a U.S. federal or state-issued photo ID that contains the following: name, date of birth, gender, expiration date and a tamper-resistant feature in order to be allowed to go through the checkpoint and onto their flight.

Passengers who do not or cannot present an acceptable ID will have to provide information to the Transportation Security Officer performing Travel Document Checking duties in order to verify their identity. Passengers who are cleared through this process may be subject to additional screening. Passengers whose identity cannot be verified by TSA may not be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint or onto an airplane."


I clicked on a link to view samples of acceptable documents in lieu of ID, and it looks like no matter what, a passenger has to somehow prove his or her identity. So do we have the right to fly without ID, or do we have the right to try (without being arrested), knowing we probably won't be allowed to?
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I suspect the parts I bolded relate to each other. In other words, they have a procedure for it, but if you need to fly without ID show up 6 hours early and bring lube.

Edit: I also suspect that the airliners will be harder on the needing ID rule than the TSA, since I'm pretty sure they instituted that rule in the first place for the sake of the bottom line (you can't sell or give away a ticket that's past the refund date and you won't be able to use now).
 
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Requia

Requia

Active Member
The courts actually *have* held that its unconstitutional to do that. Over the **** cross case iirc.
 
Oneatatime

Oneatatime

Huh?
Revoltingest said:
Police continue to harass citizens who record them | Washington Examiner
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YouTube - ‪Police told to arrest innocent people to meet targets‬‏

Your thoughts about recording the acts of public 'servants'?
Has anyone had a bad experience with law enforcement?
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I've never had any problems with the police but then again I've not been caught breaking the law of engaged in activities such as protests where I'm likely to come into conflict with the police.

While I accept some people have been victimised unfairly by the police there are far more people out there who constantly cause trouble and then whinge that they are being victimised when the police arrived.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Oneatatime said:
I've never had any problems with the police but then again I've not been caught breaking the law of engaged in activities such as protests where I'm likely to come into conflict with the police.

While I accept some people have been victimised unfairly by the police there are far more people out there who constantly cause trouble and then whinge that they are being victimised when the police arrived.
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Yeah, true dat....which is why I posed it as a question rather than a statement.
I really don't have an answer...only concerns for the possibility.
 
Jacksnyte

Jacksnyte

Reverend
Oneatatime said:
I've never had any problems with the police but then again I've not been caught breaking the law of engaged in activities such as protests where I'm likely to come into conflict with the police.

While I accept some people have been victimised unfairly by the police there are far more people out there who constantly cause trouble and then whinge that they are being victimised when the police arrived.
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I think that local involvement by civilians in helping police their own neighborhoods, while reduction of numbers of police officers would allow the police force to have more money to more carefully psychologically screen and train new police officers. The problem is often the extreme ignorance, and propensity to resort to violence exhibited by so many police officers today, as well as the way many of them will create problems where no real problem existed before. If you have never really had any dealings with police beyond a minor traffic stop, then you really have no idea what you are talking about. You don't have to be a hardened criminal, or even be actually breaking the law in any way to have a bad experience with cops.
 
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