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Is any former Bernie voter going Trump just to stop Hillary?

Are you going to vote Hillary or Trump after the Dems screwed Bernie?

  • Hillary

    Votes: 15 57.7%
  • Trump

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Independent/Other

    Votes: 7 26.9%
  • I was always going to vote Trump!

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • Total voters
    26

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Even if he did he could do some real damage before then. Not just in foreign policy. Hillary wouldn't put a pro-life anti-LGBT appointment to the Supreme Court. Trump would. That would have consequences long past his presidency.

I'm not to sure of this. First, Trump doesn't speak negatively of gays and most of the neocons (most of the old guard, like the Bush family) reject anti-gay (anti-anybody really) legislation. This is the Democratic-hype machine creeping into your head. Really, the only anti-gay is the Christian Fundies and Trump has made an enemy of those people because he doesn't support their notions. Half the Christian right is going with him because they just think the other issues are more important, and the other half is in conflict. The Christian Right has been constantly declining in the party as they have been incorporating more liberals and libertarians. It's just not like it was even ten years ago -- the religious vote is not shaping the party as much. At least, no more than the Democratic.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
How so? Clinton got a lot more votes than Sanders.

Do you watch the news much?

1) Voter Suppression
2) Media Blackout
3) Delegate shenanigans... They are reallocating delegates after the primary vote. (See Nevada)
4) Ballot Hijinks (New York and others)
5) Caucus Hijinks (Iowa, others)

That's just off the top of my head, and I'm not even all that interested in Bernie because he wants communism er democratic socialism. (cough)
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Dems screwed Bernie? How? You'd have a point if Bernie had the most votes, most states and most regular delegates. Want to talk about republicans and Trump?
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not to sure of this. First, Trump doesn't speak negatively of gays and most of the neocons (most of the old guard, like the Bush family) reject anti-gay (anti-anybody really) legislation. This is the Democratic-hype machine creeping into your head. Really, the only anti-gay is the Christian Fundies and Trump has made an enemy of those people because he doesn't support their notions. Half the Christian right is going with him because they just think the other issues are more important, and the other half is in conflict. The Christian Right has been constantly declining in the party as they have been incorporating more liberals and libertarians. It's just not like it was even ten years ago -- the religious vote is not shaping the party as much. At least, no more than the Democratic.
Trump publicly said he disagreed with the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage and suggested his appointment could overturn it.
WALLACE: But — but just to button this up very quickly, sir, are you saying that if you become president, you might try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage?

TRUMP: I would strongly consider that, yes.
http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2...donald-trump-financial-record-trump-responds/
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
And, what would even allow that?

He can't overrule The Supreme Court. So, why does comment matter? It's just his personal opinions. For most people over age 40, marriage is still man-woman. Trump is 70. :p
Trump can't. A new Supreme Court justice sure can. Which is why there's so much speculation and weight put to Trump and Hillary's potential appointees.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Trump can't. A new Supreme Court justice sure can. Which is why there's so much speculation and weight put to Trump and Hillary's potential appointees.
There's nothing wrong with Obama appointing another justice. This is normal procedure. There has been a conservative SCOTUS majority forever (decades). Some say it would be fair to change it up, but given history, democrats/liberals ideology has always been in the backseat in SCOTUS history.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
There's nothing wrong with Obama appointing another justice. This is normal procedure. There has been a conservative SCOTUS majority forever (decades). Some say it would be fair to change it up, but given history, democrats/liberals ideology has always been in the backseat in SCOTUS history.
Part of the reason the US lags behind in civil rights cases imo.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Part of the reason the US lags behind in civil rights cases imo.
I think the problem is that these conservative judges legislate with religion in mind. Which is a slap in the face to the secular constitution. Secularism and/or the lack of religious affiliation is another reason why it will become more difficult for republicans to win elections in the future. They all play the religion card for the evangelical vote. You're not electing a pastor in chief, you're electing someone who should be a secularist who doesn't legislate religion. Or at least someone who doesn't wear religion on their sleeve like Cruz or other republicans.

The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves hearing the way conservatives mix religion and politics. Remember, there was a time in American history where the celebration of christmas was outlawed. Not only that, but adding 'under god' to the pledge and 'in god we trust' to the money? E Pluribus Unum will always be America's motto, keep religion out of government
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Part of the reason the US lags behind in civil rights cases imo.

We're not the worst or the best. At least the age of consent isn't 12 and under. (Hi Mexico!)

We could be far worse:

Anyone that lives in a Sharia country has it worse that you.
Anyone living south of our border has it worse than you.
Most of Europe has it worse than you. (With few exceptions..)

As a whole, the USA isn't perfect but not anywhere near bad.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I voted for Bernie in the primary but I'm voting for Hillary in the general election. I'm not insane. If you supported Bernie, voting for Trump would be a massive abandonment of why you supported Bernie in the first place, imo. Bernie needs to give it up and drop out. He lost. Move on. It's starting to go to his head at this point. We don't need the division right now. We need to keep Trump out of the White House. I'm not a big fan of Hillary (although I don't hate her or anything), but Trump is a lunatic disaster.
 
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Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I think the problem is that these conservative judges legislate with religion in mind. Which is a slap in the face to the secular constitution. Secularism and/or the lack of religious affiliation is another reason why it will become more difficult for republicans to win elections in the future. They all play the religion card for the evangelical vote. You're not electing a pastor in chief, you're electing someone who should be a secularist who doesn't legislate religion. Or at least someone who doesn't wear religion on their sleeve like Cruz or other republicans.

The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves hearing the way conservatives mix religion and politics. Remember, there was a time in American history where the celebration of christmas was outlawed. Not only that, but adding 'under god' to the pledge and 'in god we trust' to the money? E Pluribus Unum will always be America's motto, keep religion out of government

Secularism just moves the tribes from groups you can to talk to, to unknown policy organizations that no one gets to see. You think the Christian fundies are annoying? Man, at least they are right out in front of you and honest. The Evangelicals are a small part of the party, your crap here is just basically a giant stereotype. Let's talk crap about all Republicans using sweeping generalizations because they are one-thing (tm)! Well, sorry bucko, they're not. There are all sorts of people including LGBT, Liberals, and Libertarians and nearly any damn thing you can conceive of.

The only difference between the parties is:

Democrats want to steal all of your money and tell you what to do.

Republicans want to allow you to keep it, and don't want to be told what to do.

After that, you can find all sorts in both groups. There isn't some cohesive element ruling the whole group, it is not like the Democrats where largely 3-4 major groups run the whole thing. It's more like 14-20 different kinda/sorta agree on a few things with the Republicans.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Secularism just moves the tribes from groups you can to talk to, to unknown policy organizations that no one gets to see. You think the Christian fundies are annoying? Man, at least they are right out in front of you and honest. The Evangelicals are a small part of the party, your crap here is just basically a giant stereotype. Let's talk crap about all Republicans using sweeping generalizations because they are one-thing (tm)! Well, sorry bucko, they're not. There are all sorts of people including LGBT, Liberals, and Libertarians and nearly any damn thing you can conceive of.
I would say that evangelicals make up the majority of conservative voters.

The only difference between the parties is:

Democrats want to steal all of your money and tell you what to do.

Republicans want to allow you to keep it, and don't want to be told what to do.
No, that's not true. But that's what the establishment sells you. Democrats put forth policies for the middle class, republicans put forth policies for the top 1% and corrupt corporations. Citizens United? Hello?

Can you name me a middle class policy that republicans put forth?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Trump publicly said he disagreed with the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage and suggested his appointment could overturn it.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2...donald-trump-financial-record-trump-responds/
He's an opportunist. Same as Bush. Bush himself probably isn't a fundie Christian, but his administration did go along with the anti-gay surge of the 2000s, along with coddling the Christian right. That's when all those states passed constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage. Trump does cozy up to the Christian right at times.

Oh, and Bernie is not a communist or even a socialist. :rolleyes:
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
No, it's the greatest republic in history. :)

There is a difference, democracies are ruled by mobs that make laws against minorities and republics allow wiser folks to make decisions with less likelihood of harming minorities. :)
It's not the greatest anything and never was, unless you want to talk about negative things.
 
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