I see all the effort people are putting forward to show Baha'u'llah is a false prophet, just means the Faith is coming out of obscurity.
Regards Tony
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Is Baha'u'llah true or false Prophet?
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I see all the effort people are putting forward to show Baha'u'llah is a false prophet, just means the Faith is coming out of obscurity.
Regards Tony
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
The book of Revelation has nothing at all to do with the book of Daniel.
Show one Chapter and Verses in the book of Revelation, where Daniel is mention.
As for you saying ---> ( But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only)
Had you any idea or clue about the book of Revelation,Christ Jesus revealed about that day and hour in his book of Revelation.
What happens that brings about that day and hour according to what Christ Jesus revealed in his book of Revelation.
Its revealed in Revelation the last Prophecy that happens is what brings about that day and hour.
So what is that last Prophecy in Revelation
And what is that ( hour) according to the book of Revelation
spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
I don't see any special effort. Looks like any other ordinary debate on religion.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Book of Daniel and revelation have similar prophecies. Look at the beast with several crowns as an example. It is mentioned in both. Both have prophecies of the End Time.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Last prophecies are about manifestation of the Lord on earth, with His angels. Unsealing the Book of God. Making all things new. All these happened when the Lord came, in the 19th century. All things became new with coming of Bahaullah with Holy Spirit and , as you see, all people agree that since mid 19th century we are living in a new age, and all things, such as science, civilization, and ways of life are completely new in comparison to previous centuries by inspiration from the Holy Spirit. So, all these prophecies are fulfilled.
I notice even in DIR discussions there is threads about the Bab and they take effort to remove Baha'u'llah from the conversation.
One thread speaks highly of the Bab, many should take note of that, that are not aware of the Influence the Bab had and why.
But like most threads it has an agenda and is not looking for the Truth, much like this thread, just hot wind blowing from a desert far from the Ocean containing great pearls of wisdom.
In the end if people try to dissprove the Bab and Baha'u'llah, their arguments are just as valid for the Messenger they follow.
People need to start looking for God, or if you like, the Good in all things, and hold fast unto what is good.
Regards Tony
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Yes, He is the last one. Bahais agree. Bahaullah is the Lord of Day of Resurrection, promised in Quran. Day of Resurrection has come, and what you were promised in Quran is fulfilled.
spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
Yes we all know that Baha'u'llah claims he is god. That is nothing new. Just don't try to squeeze your beliefs out of the Quran because the Quran has nothing to do with Baha'ism, neither does the Bible. Christian Folks have repeatedly pointed this out too.
With this Revelation, It has shown us a new level of understanding of Gods Prophets and Messengers, free of man made doctrine.
Baha'u'llah is a Manifestation of God and we can now see how all Gods Messengers are One with our One God.
Regards Tony
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spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
Wow, I think there has recently been a change of doctrine in Baha'i debates on the internet. A few years ago, if you pointed to the fact that Baha'u'llah claims he is God there would be outrage from Baha'is trying to deny this fact one way or another. Now however, there is a Baha'i in every thread stating that Baha'u'llah is God. Interesting.
Baha'ullah's connection to God is that also of Muhammad and Christ. It may be one just needs to look at it a different way.
Sure you can point it out as much as you choose to, but in no way is the supposition supported by those same scriptures.
It is Allah that doeth as He Willeth and no Muslim can chain Allah's hands.
48:10 "Those who pledge obedience to you are, in fact, pledging obedience to God. The hands of God are above their hands. As for those who disregard their pledge, they do so only against their own souls. Those who fulfill their promise to God will receive a great reward."
And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. - 3:54
The choice is yours.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Here's a quote that I need you to explain. Who is this man of "lawlessness"? And, twice it mentions Jesus by name as the one coming and the one that will destroy the man of lawlessness. Why wouldn't say something like "when the Christ spirit returns", instead of making the Christians think that it is Jesus coming back?
2 Thessalonians 2 New International Version (NIV)
The Man of Lawlessness
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed,whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
It is because it has been answered over and over, the question has just become a plaything for the ignorant.
If one wanted more than ignorance, they would study what was said for themsleves.
Peace be with you always.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Since all religions have some good, should we keep that and dump the rest? Including theological concepts we don't like or agree with?
Its always entertaining having you here. Twisting words, changing meanings, telling the Baha'is what we really believe and think.
As have people of any other faiths that the Baha'i claim to be 'their destiny'. For my faith, they claim that their job/duty is to take Hinduism to it's ultimate destiny (which of course is the Baha'i faith) Nobody buys this nonsense.
spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
In the Islamic belief --unlike in Baha'ism -- God doesn't come down to earth embodied as a human. So when he wants us to pledge obedience to him he sends a representative and asks us to pledge obedience to that person. Hence the verse:
48:10 "Those who pledge obedience to you are, in fact, pledging obedience to God.
Somehow, you think the above statement is equal to Muhammad claiming he is God
a statement that he never uttered. The only relationship that Muhammad has to God is pure servanthood. Believe in whatever you want but don't try to find your beliefs in the Quran because you won't find them there.
spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
You know I'm willing to bet you haven't read a single one of Baha'u'llah's works in it's original from. Well guess what? I have read many of his works in the original Arabic and Persian. You see I am not the one twisting words or changing meanings, but how would you know? You neither understand Arabic nor Persian? You have never ever in your life investigated the truth about Baha'ism independently. Everything you know about Baha'ism or you think you know about Baha'ism have been through the translations of third parties. You are in no position to even remotely accuse me of twisting words and changing meanings because you don't have the linguistic expertise and means to do so. What I tell you about Baha'ism is what I have read in it's original scripture.
CG, Hold fast to what is good.
We all have decisions to make, if I had not made many bad ones, I doubt I would be as happy as I am today.
Always look to what each thing is pointing us to, we are told it is to know and Love God. I have found this is the only way we can find peace with ourselves and thus find peace with all humanity.
Regards Tony
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Well seeing that you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again.
Can you give in Revelation what chapter and verses where Daniel is mention at in Revelation.
The reason Daniel is not mentioned in Revelation,
because the book of Daniel has nothing at all to do with the book of Revelation.
But if you believe Daniel and Revelation goes together, thats you and not me.
But if your trying to convince me that Daniel and Revelation goes together.
Then show in Revelation where Daniel is mention in what chapter and verses in Revelation.