Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[Muffled]

NO! Jesus does NOT confirm it.



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I don't believe you have any idea of what Jesus confirms and what He doesn't. So if you contradict what Jesus indicates to me, will you be able to testify that Jesus communicates with you better than He communicates with me?

 

[Muffled]

So... proof-texting is now the only way one can establish one's credibility?

It doesn't have to contain science to be incongruent with science.

God didn't write the bible.

Are you serious, or just having a poor go at being provocative? Orbiting spacecraft are included in "the powers of observation," and so is science. Both prove the earth is slightly egg-shaped -- fatter at the equator and narrower at the poles.

I beleive not but I would be surprised to find a testimony on this site and one must have evidence or one is making things up in one's mind.

I believe God inspired the writing of the Bible which amounts to the same thing. An amuensis just writes down what the author wants.

I believe that incongruity can sometimes mean that science is wrong.

I beleive a little of both.

I believe that is nice and I take it on faith that it is so but I have never been up that high and have never down the science on it but I do agree the pictures are a good indication. However a person observing from the ground observes a flat earth and indeed that is ture and even more so in Kansas. If one were trying to say that God should correct the person, I would say that God doesn't need to give a person more information than is necessary. So now God never says to me that the world is flat but confirms that it is oval except when I am observing on the ground of course.

 

[Muffled]

Pretty sure he didnt even talk about it.

He is talking about it now. You have heard Him say so through me.

 

[Nada]

Homosexuality is already spoken of in the OT and confirmed to be a detestable thing to God.For both men and women.This falls under sexual immorality.Many things fall under this category.Bestiality,masterbation,homosexuality,prostitution etc.. It is already declared and set.Jesus does not need to confirm all the time what is already known about these detestable things to God.There are many things that were taught to the disciples that are not written down in the scriptures.

John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

The things taught to the disciples, by Jesus, was shown in their writings.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,

So it is evident in the NT what was already confirmed in the OT.




SCIENCE

There is ,in fact, science in the holy scriptures.If we read the very first sentence in the holy scriptures its Genesis 1:1. 
It says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 
Ok...Lets dig DEEP beneath the verse.

In the beginning =TIME
 the heavens=SPACE Earth=MATTER
So,we end up with 
TIME,SPACE & MATTER. 
Scientist have barely come to agree that this is how they believe the
universe was created. In this order. This was just found out in the latter part of the 20th century.God,our creator, let mankind know this over 3,500 years ago. TIME,SPACE & MATTER is the formula God used to create the universe.This is just in the first sentence of the holy scriptures. Imagine the knowledge one can learn if we only apply ourselves and begin a relationship with the Grand creator.




UNDERWATER SPRINGS

Did you know that scientist have barely,in the latter part of the 20th century, come to find out that there are, in fact, underground water springs beneath the ocean floor? Yes,its true.The holy scriptures made this known to mankind over 3,500 years ago in the book of Genesis 7:11.READ IT.





"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.




SPACE AND GRAVITY
Job 26:7 "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing." THINK ABOUT WHAT IS BEING SAID- It is speaking of the earth being suspended over nothing.This is obviously speaking about gravity.Only one who is in outer space can make such an observation.One on earth cannot make this observation by looking up into space from earth.You have to be in space looking down at the earth to make such a statement.Space and gravity are being spoken of here.Such knowledge did not come from man, but was given to man, by our creator.God.

 

[Sha'irullah]

in Shirkism it is encouraged

 

[Ingledsva]

NO! Jesus does NOT confirm it.

I don't believe you have any idea of what Jesus confirms and what He doesn't. So if you contradict what Jesus indicates to me, will you be able to testify that Jesus communicates with you better than He communicates with me?

Then by all means - show us the scripture where Jesus condemns homosexuals?


You can't - because there isn't one!



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[Ingledsva]

He is talking about it now. You have heard Him say so through me.

There is absolutely no proof that Jesus speaks through you, - especially concerning things he, himself, chose not to teach, !



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[Desert Snake]

There is absolutely no proof that Jesus speaks through you, - especially concerning things he, himself, chose not to teach, !



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Great, Jesus also chose not to teach many of the negative things you constantly ascribe to Xianity. What's good for the Goose is good for the gander...

You've never explained how you square declaring that Xianity is completely separate from OT theology, yet present arguments against Xianity based on Judaic writings.

 

[Ingledsva]

Homosexuality is already spoken of in the OT and confirmed to be a detestable thing to God.For both men and women.This falls under sexual immorality.Many things fall under this category.Bestiality,masterbation,homosexuality,prostitution etc.. It is already declared and set.


ING - Wrong! It does not talk about homosexuality, - but about Sacred Sex practices of the Qadesh, which is IDOLATRY!


Jesus does not need to confirm all the time what is already known about these detestable things to God.There are many things that were taught to the disciples that are not written down in the scriptures.


ING - Baloney! If he thought it was important, he would have taught about it!

We are not talking secret things he taught his disciples!



John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

The things taught to the disciples, by Jesus, was shown in their writings.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,

So it is evident in the NT what was already confirmed in the OT.


ING - Wrong again! The text you quote does not actually say anything about homosexuals. Perhaps you should look up the words in the original languages, - or search for our debates on 1 Corinthians.


SCIENCE

There is ,in fact, science in the holy scriptures.If we read the very first sentence in the holy scriptures its Genesis 1:1. 
It says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 
Ok...Lets dig DEEP beneath the verse.

In the beginning =TIME
 the heavens=SPACE Earth=MATTER
So,we end up with 
TIME,SPACE & MATTER. 
Scientist have barely come to agree that this is how they believe the
universe was created. In this order. This was just found out in the latter part of the 20th century.God,our creator, let mankind know this over 3,500 years ago. TIME,SPACE & MATTER is the formula God used to create the universe.This is just in the first sentence of the holy scriptures. Imagine the knowledge one can learn if we only apply ourselves and begin a relationship with the Grand creator.



ING - What you have said here - does not correlate to what the verse you quoted says.



UNDERWATER SPRINGS

Did you know that scientist have barely,in the latter part of the 20th century, come to find out that there are, in fact, underground water springs beneath the ocean floor? Yes,its true.The holy scriptures made this known to mankind over 3,500 years ago in the book of Genesis 7:11.READ IT.





"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.


ING - People have know about underground/underwater springs for thousands of years. Which is why we have mythology about such, and the archaeology of well digging.




SPACE AND GRAVITY
Job 26:7 "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing." THINK ABOUT WHAT IS BEING SAID- It is speaking of the earth being suspended over nothing.This is obviously speaking about gravity.Only one who is in outer space can make such an observation.One on earth cannot make this observation by looking up into space from earth.You have to be in space looking down at the earth to make such a statement.Space and gravity are being spoken of here.Such knowledge did not come from man, but was given to man, by our creator.God.

No it isn't obvious! It is you trying to cram science into religious mythology.



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[Ingledsva]

There is absolutely no proof that Jesus speaks through you, - especially concerning things he, himself, chose not to teach!

Great, Jesus also chose not to teach many of the negative things you constantly ascribe to Xianity.


ING - And your point would be what exactly? Jesus "is" responsible for negative things because he didn't teach about them?

Christianity doing negative things has nothing to do with Jesus.


What's good for the Goose is good for the gander...


ING - Again - totally out of whack - for what has been said.


You've never explained how you square declaring that Xianity is completely separate from OT theology, yet present arguments against Xianity based on Judaic writings.


ING - LOL! And where did you come up with that idea about my writings?

Christianity OBVIOUSLY comes out of Judaism. Where they split is Christianity claiming Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, without fulfilling the requirements.

Rather an awkward attempt with your reach, don't you think.

Jesus does not say anything about homosexuals.

Muffled is telling us Jesus speaks to him, - and told "him" that!


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[Sha'irullah]

In Meowism bisexuality is strongly ruled as a must have to be a Meowist. All true Meowists know that bisexuality is the only true mode of sexual expression.

...Meow

 

[Nada]

No it isn't obvious! It is you trying to cram science into religious mythology.



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You are incorrect on everything you claimed.

 

[dgirl1986]

He is talking about it now. You have heard Him say so through me.

If thats how it works then you can just throw out the bible then cant you

 

[dgirl1986]

I am not sure morality should be taken from the bible given what the rest of it says...regardless of which....it seems the homosexuality one is the one christians are preaching most at the moment when there are more serious issues at hand.

 

[Norman]

I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I believe that 'same sex attraction' is not of God. God told Adam that it was not good for man to be alone so he created a help meet called Eve. They were commanded to have children. It is my opinion that God created and defined marriage with Adam and Eve and there children.

 

[Ingledsva]

You are incorrect on everything you claimed.

So obviously then, you are going to go back and try to prove your words? And actually prove me wrong rather then just claiming it? Yes?



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[Ingledsva]

I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I believe that 'same sex attraction' is not of God. God told Adam that it was not good for man to be alone so he created a help meet called Eve. They were commanded to have children. It is my opinion that God created and defined marriage with Adam and Eve and there children.

And how does the common sense that it takes a male and female to make babies, transform into the - ERROR - of people teaching that homosexuality is wrong?


EDIT - Forgot to add - what marriage? They were just sc*****g!



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[Ingledsva]

I am not sure morality should be taken from the bible given what the rest of it says...regardless of which....it seems the homosexuality one is the one christians are preaching most at the moment when there are more serious issues at hand.

Indeed! Correct you are! :yes:



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[Nada]

So obviously then, you are going to go back and try to prove your words? And actually prove me wrong rather then just claiming it? Yes?



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Oh no.Im not going to try at all.I can see by your words that it would just be a waste of both of our time.Have a good one.

 

[Ingledsva]

So obviously then, you are going to go back and try to prove your words? And actually prove me wrong rather then just claiming it? Yes?

Oh no.Im not going to try at all.I can see by your words that it would just be a waste of both of our time.Have a good one.

It would indeed be a waste of your time, as you can't prove it.


I, on the other hand, have all of the information already on my computer, from past Comparative Religions classes, and collected interesting related exegeses, and debates here on the subject.


I was serious when I suggested you search for our debates here, on the subject. They are very interesting, and very informative.


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