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Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I object to the term because the assumption is that my sexuality determines all that I am. My sexuality is a significant part of my life but it doesn't dictate everything I think, say or do. We don, t say " That one is living the black lifestyle." My sexuality is biologically no less than the color of my skin. I didn't choose it. It chose me.

Indeed. There's many reasons why such terminology should be discarded. It's like, I'm bisexual/pansexual. I'll probably end up marrying a woman, but doesn't mean I'm living "the straight lifestyle" because I'll always be attracted to men, even if I'm not in a relationship with one or having sex with one. Vice versa, too. I'm capable of being attracted to people regardless of gender or physical makeup. There's no particular "lifestyle" attached to it.

The comparison to a "black lifestyle" is apt, too, and just shows how stupid the concept is.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Indeed. There's many reasons why such terminology should be discarded. It's like, I'm bisexual/pansexual. I'll probably end up marrying a woman, but doesn't mean I'm living "the straight lifestyle" because I'll always be attracted to men, even if I'm not in a relationship with one or having sex with one. Vice versa, too. I'm capable of being attracted to people regardless of gender or physical makeup. There's no particular "lifestyle" attached to it.

The comparison to a "black lifestyle" is apt, too, and just shows how stupid the concept is.

Do people actually say stuff like the black lifestyle in real life?
 

Uberpod

Active Member
Christianity? Yes! Read Romans 1:26-27
The folly of homosexuality is proclaimed in its inability to reproduce the human species in keeping with the divine commandment -Genesis 1:28.

So homosexuals are fine as long as they have biological children?
 

Call_of_the_Wild

Well-Known Member
Of course...dismiss any opposing view as simply sinners looking for "loopholes" (even though it's mostly not gays making that argument, but scholars, historians and theologians). Don't want to have to question your apparently divinely sanctioned bigotry, after all. That would be horrible and result in some rather humbling self-examination.

God always hates whoever and whatever his followers hate.

It is definitely a loophole. You know darn well that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. When God determined that Adam needed a helper, he didn't create another man, he created a woman.

I will leave it at that, but if you keep yapping about it, then lets dance (no homo) hahahaha.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It is definitely a loophole. You know darn well that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. When God determined that Adam needed a helper, he didn't create another man, he created a woman.

I will leave it at that, but if you keep yapping about it, then lets dance (no homo) hahahaha.

That right-wing Christian junk talk won't work with me since I've actually studied the subject and the cultural context those writings emerged from.

"No homo"? What makes you think, even in jest, that I would ever be interested in you in that way? Sorry, but I have standards.
 

Call_of_the_Wild

Well-Known Member
That right-wing Christian junk talk won't work with me since I've actually studied the subject and the cultural context those writings emerged from.

So you've somehow convinced yourself that the God of the bible approves of homosexuality???

"No homo"? What makes you think, even in jest, that I would ever be interested in you in that way? Sorry, but I have standards.

"No homo" is just a saying that people of my "lifestyle" would say if we say something that isn't homosexually related but can be interpreted as such. So if you say something like that, you would say "no homo" to let others know not to interpret it that way. Kind of like "breaking the hex" lol.

So for example, if you were talking to someone and you said "I was angry with him yesterday, hopefully, I wasn't to "hard on him" ", you would realize what you said and then say "no homo" lol.

Ohhh snaps...wiki even has an article about it...

No homo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
So you've somehow convinced yourself that the God of the bible approves of homosexuality???

I'm not going to get into what the god(s) of the Bible think about this or that, because they're rather all over the place, anyway. The OT especially is a mish-mash of rewritten Semitic and Mesopotamian myth, folktales, tribal propaganda and poetry that has been redacted and edited over centuries. For better consistency, it's best to look at the actual texts themselves in the original languages and to study the cultural and historical context they were written in.

"No homo" is just a saying that people of my "lifestyle" would say if we say something that isn't homosexually related but can be interpreted as such. So if you say something like that, you would say "no homo" to let others know not to interpret it that way. Kind of like "breaking the hex" lol.

So for example, if you were talking to someone and you said "I was angry with him yesterday, hopefully, I wasn't to "hard on him" ", you would realize what you said and then say "no homo" lol.

Ohhh snaps...wiki even has an article about it...

No homo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know what the hell "no homo" means. It's a homophobic phrase used by immature and insecure boys, usually teenagers and stupid rappers.
 
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Call_of_the_Wild

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to get into what the god(s) of the Bible think about this or that, because they're rather all over the place, anyway. The OT especially is a mish-mash of rewritten Semitic and Mesopotamian myth, folktales, tribal propaganda and poetry that has been redacted and edited over centuries. For better consistency, it's best to look at the actual texts themselves in the original languages and to study the cultural and historical context they were written in.

Ok, so after you " look at the actual texts themselves in the original languages and to study the cultural and historical context they were written in", are you able to draw the conclusion that the biblical God approves of homosexuality?

And what about the NT?

I know what the hell "no homo" means. It's a homophobic phrase used by immature and insecure boys, usually teenagers and stupid rappers.

Well based on the fact that you took what I said LITERALLY, I understood that to mean you were ignorant of the phrase.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Ok, so after you " look at the actual texts themselves in the original languages and to study the cultural and historical context they were written in", are you able to draw the conclusion that the biblical God approves of homosexuality?

No, just that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality in general because it doesn't speak on homosexuality in general.

And what about the NT?
Same as the OT. It was specific behaviors it was referring to.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It was speaking of men raping men was it not?

Leviticus is probably talking about ritual purity laws. For example, it forbids having sex with a woman during her period a few verses above the apparently anti-gay verse. Menstruation was a time of "uncleanliness" for women in that culture and she had to be separated from males during that time lest she befoul them. She had to undergo a ritual purification when her period was over. Obviously Christians have no problem disregarding that concept.

Also, it was a common view in many ancient cultures that a man who allows himself to be penetrated by another man has emasculated himself and it was seen as detestable. Notice that the verse is clearly referring to male/male anal sex. This is a form of sexism since the male was necessarily viewed as the penetrator and females necessarily viewed as the receiver. So for a male to be anally penetrated, he was seen as "lowering" himself to the position of a woman and this was a big violation of gender roles in that culture. So when you put it into its cultural context, it makes a lot of sense. For example, it explains why female homosexuality isn't mentioned at all. It's not mentioned because, in patriarchal cultures, female sexuality tends to be completely ignored except in regards to them having sex with men, since women in such cultures were basically seen as the property of their father or, when married, their husband. In their view of virginity, a female being a virgin just meant that she hasn't been vaginally penetrated by a penis yet. It was a form of social control over a woman's sexuality and most likely emerged as a reproductive strategy to assure that the husband is the father of the offspring, thus insuring the continuation of his linage, since they obviously didn't have paternity testing during that time. Matrilineal cultures don't have such restrictions and concepts of virginity.

The Christianized Roman Empire adopted this same line of thinking by sentencing males who took on the passive role in sex with another male to being to burned to death:
"In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans declared the death penalty for a male who took on the passive role of a bride (rather than marry as equals with another man).[8] In the year 390, the Christian emperors Valentinian II, Theodosius I and Arcadius denounced males "acting the part of a woman", condemning those who were guilty of such acts to be publicly burned.[9]"

When the Bible is talking about homosexual acts, it is mostly in reference to Pagan sex rites like temple prostitution. Romans 1 was most certainly referring to a Pagan sex rite being performed by Christians who have backslid into Paganism.

As for the other verses in the NT, those could be referring to prostitution and/or rape.
 
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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ok, so after you " look at the actual texts themselves in the original languages and to study the cultural and historical context they were written in", are you able to draw the conclusion that the biblical God approves of homosexuality?

And what about the NT?

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We have had this discussion with you before.

The NT does not condemn homosexuals.

Jesus says nothing condemning homosexuals.



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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
"Acting on homosexual impulses" is a good way of putting it. Look, the LORD was clear...

Lev 18:22 "'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

I don't know how that verse could be "disputed over what it means". It is as clear as day.

And look, as I said, it isn't just about homosexuals...it is the "straight" fornicators and adulterers as well...and I assure you that more people fall under at least one of those labels than not, including pastors, reverends, etc.

Absolute BULL.


Twenty-one through twenty-three are talking about Molech worship = Sacred Sex = Qadesh = IDOLATRY!


Lev 18:21 And your semen don't give in copulation to MOLECH, and don't desecrate/prostitute yourself; honor Elohiym, I am YHVH!

There is NO "as with" in 22. It says something like -

Lev 18:22 And with/for man don't lie down beds/intercourse women; idolatrous these.

Lev 18:23 And also with any beasts don't lay carnally, thus defiling yourself. And thus also woman shall not be employed to serve beasts in copulation. Bestiality it is!


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Call_of_the_Wild

Well-Known Member
Absolute BULL.


Twenty-one through twenty-three are talking about Molech worship = Sacred Sex = Qadesh = IDOLATRY!


Lev 18:21 And your semen don't give in copulation to MOLECH, and don't desecrate/prostitute yourself; honor Elohiym, I am YHVH!

There is NO "as with" in 22. It says something like -

Lev 18:22 And with/for man don't lie down beds/intercourse women; idolatrous these.

Lev 18:23 And also with any beasts don't lay carnally, thus defiling yourself. And thus also woman shall not be employed to serve beasts in copulation. Bestiality it is!


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Lets keep justifying homosexuality, people. Lets keep up the bad work.
 
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