Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[sojourner]

Thank you! I'd like to think Valhalla has a Pizza hut, or a Papa John's, or even a Hungry Howie's. But only the shores of Náströnd have something as vile and unholy as a Domino's... Where you chew on stale crust for all eternity!

I rather like Domino's. Papa Murphy's take-n-bake is best. In my book:
Best Ever: Pizza Hut Priazzo (from the '80s)
Worst Ever: Peter Piper Pizza or Chuck-e-Cheez (It's a tie for most embarrassing facsimile of a pizza) (I'd rather eat a Tombstone from the grocery store!)

 

[Muffled]

Being gay is a sin. Fornication is a sin. Adultery is a sin.

I wouldn't go so far as saying being gay is a sin but I do believe practicing homosexuality is a sin. I believe for some that means the same thing for others it does not.

 

[Muffled]

Merely being gay is sinful? What a despicable notion.

I don't believe you are the judge.

I believe although being gay is not sinful that it may be less than what God desires from the person.

For isntance divorce is a sin but living a separate life within a marriage may be less than what God wants for that marriage.

 

[Muffled]

lolol so you hear the voice of Jesus in your head? And how exactly do you know you can trust yourself? Maybe you just have schizophrenic tendencies? Why would Jesus single you out and speak to you directly? Why are you more important than any other human being? What makes sense to me is that you're imagining this in an arrogant attempt to feel like you're more special than any other person, or you're delusional.

I believe so.
I believe I have had confirmation beyond nyself so that I have no need to do further self examination.

I believe I have none.

I don't believe Jesus has singled me out because I sought Him.

I don't believe that I am but God does consider me worthy of His attention and I appreciate that.

I believe one can rationalize all kinds of things without evidence.

I have never believed I was special until I started to find out that not everyone has had the same experience as me but lately I am finding a few people with shared experiences so that I don't feel so isolated.

I believe that I am not delusional.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't believe you are the judge.

Neither are you. And before you bring Yahweh up, I don't care what he thinks about it just like I don't care what a multitude of other foreign gods that have nothing to do with me think about anything.

I believe although being gay is not sinful that it may be less than what God desires from the person.

For isntance divorce is a sin but living a separate life within a marriage may be less than what God wants for that marriage.

Like I said, I don't care what Yahweh wants.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

I wouldn't go so far as saying being gay is a sin but I do believe practicing homosexuality is a sin. I believe for some that means the same thing for others it does not.

First lets define what does being "gay" means. It would seem to me that the state or condition of being gay would constitute as a sin. Why wouldn't it?

 

[Parsimony]

First lets define what does being "gay" means. It would seem to me that the state or condition of being gay would constitute as a sin. Why wouldn't it?

Being attracted to a member of the same sex. A person cannot simply stop being attracted to someone or something. If you think that they can, then try going for 24 hours without having an attraction towards females. I don't mean simply abstaining from looking at or thinking about women either, I mean make the attraction itself disappear. It's not that simple. People can't help what they feel. All they can help is what they do about those feelings. They can act on them or keep them in check. For God to condemn someone for simply having an attraction that they cannot control is pretty nonsensical.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Being attracted to a member of the same sex. A person cannot simply stop being attracted to someone or something. If you think that they can, then try going for 24 hours without having an attraction towards females. I don't mean simply abstaining from looking at or thinking about women either, I mean make the attraction itself disappear. It's not that simple. People can't help what they feel. All they can help is what they do about those feelings. They can act on them or keep them in check. For God to condemn someone for simply having an attraction that they cannot control is pretty nonsensical.

Who was it, Thomas Aquinas, the one that said something like "You can't stop a bird from landing on your head; but you can stop it from building a nest (on your head)".

Homosexual men will have to fight their lust for other men just like Heterosexuals have to fight our lust for women, and when I say "lust", I don't mean mere attraction, I mean...LUST...sexual desire.

If you can justify a man's sexual feelings towards another man, then how come you can't justify pedophilia, or zoophilia...or can you?

You said "people can't help what they feel?" Well?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Who was it, Thomas Aquinas, the one that said something like "You can't stop a bird from landing on your head; but you can stop it from building a nest (on your head)".

Homosexual men will have to fight their lust for other men just like Heterosexuals have to fight our lust for women, and when I say "lust", I don't mean mere attraction, I mean...LUST...sexual desire.

If you can justify a man's sexual feelings towards another man, then how come you can't justify pedophilia, or zoophilia...or can you?

You said "people can't help what they feel?" Well?

You can't force yourself to stop feeling sexual desire. It's impossible and amounts to nothing less than torture. It could lead to depression and being suicidal as you try to pursue something that is impossible. Although I'm not sure if some Christians would not view suicide as a lesser sin than being LGBT and accepting it. I've read an article from a Christian that was talking about transsexual people and she thinks that suicide would probably be a lesser sin than to go on life-saving hormone therapy or have sexual reassignment surgery. :areyoucra I'm sure with the amount of hate many Christians have towards gays and lesbians, and gay men especially, some of them would probably feel the same about gays who chose to kill themselves rather have a gay relationship.

How "loving".

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

You can't force yourself to stop feeling sexual desire. It's impossible and amounts to nothing less than torture. It could lead to depression and being suicidal as you try to pursue something that is impossible.

So pedophila and zoophilia is permissible, right? Since you cannot force yourself to stop having sexual feelings towards children and animals?

Although I'm not sure if some Christians would not view suicide as a lesser sin than being LGBT and accepting it. I've read an article from a Christian that was talking about transsexual people and she thinks that suicide would probably be a lesser sin than to go on life-saving hormone therapy or have sexual reassignment surgery. :areyoucra I'm sure with the amount of hate many Christians have towards gays and lesbians, and gay men especially, some of them would probably feel the same about gays who chose to kill themselves rather have a gay relationship.

How "loving".

Its tough. I can't speak for other Christians, I try my best not to judge people, because my views are as hypocritical as they come. For example, I have a problem with male/male homosexuality...but I don't see a problem with lesbianism. See the madness there?

When it comes to homosexuality, it is very tough. My personal belief is that all homosexuality is not in line with how God planned intimate unions between his creation.

If anyone feels otherwise, fine..that is between them and God. If someone asks my opinion, I will give it to him...but I have to worry about my own shortcomings, like my strong lust for women...I have enough of a hard time trying to bind my own spiritual flaws than to worry about the flaws of the next man or woman.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So pedophila and zoophilia is permissible, right? Since you cannot force yourself to stop having sexual feelings towards children and animals?

First off, it's illogical to compare those two things to homosexuality as homosexuality is not harmful at all in of itself and, in sane countries, it's legal for gay people to have relationships.

Now, it's very rare when someone is a "true" pedophile or a "true" zoophile, meaning that they are solely attracted to prepubescent children or animals. The majority of them are also attracted to adults and to humans. I would say that those people find other, healthy and legal ways, to have an outlet for those desires. A creative person will find a way.

For the small minority who are not attracted to legal-aged people or to humans and don't feel they can control themselves, they should seek professional support to help them live functional, law-abiding lives in society. But being in denial about it and trying to suppress it is not going to help anything. It's good to talk about it with someone who is non-judgmental and understanding, then you can work on strategies to move forward. Acting like you can wish an attraction away or pretending it isn't there helps no one and doesn't change anything.

Its tough. I can't speak for other Christians, I try my best not to judge people, because my views are as hypocritical as they come. For example, I have a problem with male/male homosexuality...but I don't see a problem with lesbianism. See the madness there?

I would be surprised to find a male homophobe who is actually consistent in that area, honestly. Almost all of them have a double standard in that area, and it's because of socialization and personal insecurity. The religious excuses are just a veneer for a socio-cultural problem that's tied into patriarchal sexism and gender roles.

When it comes to homosexuality, it is very tough. My personal belief is that all homosexuality is not in line with how God planned intimate unions between his creation.

That's his fault for creating gay people and not providing a way for a person to consciously change their sexual desires. So he's a sadist, as well as a bigot and petty. Go figure.

If anyone feels otherwise, fine..that is between them and God. If someone asks my opinion, I will give it to him...but I have to worry about my own shortcomings, like my strong lust for women...I have enough of a hard time trying to bind my own spiritual flaws than to worry about the flaws of the next man or woman.

Sexual repression isn't healthy. If you're a heterosexual (or bisexual) man, there would be something wrong with you if you didn't lust after women. I'm bisexual and I have a very healthy lust for both men and women, which shows to me that my plumbing and my wiring are working correctly.

 

[sojourner]

I wouldn't go so far as saying being gay is a sin but I do believe practicing homosexuality is a sin. I believe for some that means the same thing for others it does not.

It's a sin to act upon love??

 

[Parsimony]

Who was it, Thomas Aquinas, the one that said something like "You can't stop a bird from landing on your head; but you can stop it from building a nest (on your head)".

Homosexual men will have to fight their lust for other men just like Heterosexuals have to fight our lust for women, and when I say "lust", I don't mean mere attraction, I mean...LUST...sexual desire.

If by having lust you mean feeling sexual desires for the preferred sex, then that's going to be pretty much unavoidable for most people with a normal sex drive. How you act on those feelings is what matters. There is still a difference between having a desire and taking actions to fulfill that desire. One can be avoided, the other cannot (unless you get castrated or take some similar measures).

If you can justify a man's sexual feelings towards another man, then how come you can't justify pedophilia, or zoophilia...or can you?

You said "people can't help what they feel?" Well?

Simply having an attraction towards children or animals is not wrong, especially if one cannot help having those feelings: acting on those attractions is what is wrong because children and animals cannot give informed consent.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

For example, I have a problem with male/male homosexuality...but I don't see a problem with lesbianism.
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Wow... Literally...just... WOW

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

First off, it's illogical to compare those two things to homosexuality as homosexuality is not harmful at all in of itself and, in sane countries, it's legal for gay people to have relationships.

No it isn't illogical. Sexual feelings are sexual feelings, regardless of who it is towards and where it comes from. You said that people cannot force themselves to stop having these feelings, and that isn't only exclusive to homosexual feelings.

Now, it's very rare when someone is a "true" pedophile or a "true" zoophile, meaning that they are solely attracted to prepubescent children or animals. The majority of them are also attracted to adults and to humans. I would say that those people find other, healthy and legal ways, to have an outlet for those desires. A creative person will find a way.

Fine, but if we are just going by mere feelings, a person cannot force themselves to stop, right? So if that is the case, then everything should be permissible.

For the small minority who are not attracted to legal-aged people or to humans and don't feel they can control themselves, they should seek professional support to help them live functional, law-abiding lives in society. But being in denial about it and trying to suppress it is not going to help anything. It's good to talk about it with someone who is non-judgmental and understanding, then you can work on strategies to move forward. Acting like you can wish an attraction away or pretending it isn't there helps no one and doesn't change anything.

You are distinguishing different "kinds" of sexual attraction. So the pedophile and the zoophile are messed up, they need to seek professional for their attractions, but homosexual attraction is somehow A-ok? Based on what? What is the justification?

That's his fault for creating gay people and not providing a way for a person to consciously change their sexual desires. So he's a sadist, as well as a bigot and petty. Go figure.

Hey, biblically speaking, heterosexuals are only supposed to lust after their spouses, it isn't as if we have it easy

Sexual repression isn't healthy. If you're a heterosexual (or bisexual) man, there would be something wrong with you if you didn't lust after women. I'm bisexual and I have a very healthy lust for both men and women, which shows to me that my plumbing and my wiring are working correctly.

Hey, whatever rattles your chain.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Wow... Literally...just... WOW

It is what it is..I admit, im *** up.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

No it isn't illogical. Sexual feelings are sexual feelings, regardless of who it is towards and where it comes from. You said that people cannot force themselves to stop having these feelings, and that isn't only exclusive to homosexual feelings.



Fine, but if we are just going by mere feelings, a person cannot force themselves to stop, right? So if that is the case, then everything should be permissible.



You are distinguishing different "kinds" of sexual attraction. So the pedophile and the zoophile are messed up, they need to seek professional for their attractions, but homosexual attraction is somehow A-ok? Based on what? What is the justification?



Hey, biblically speaking, heterosexuals are only supposed to lust after their spouses, it isn't as if we have it easy

Hey, whatever rattles your chain.

Anyone should be able to have consentual sex. It doesn't matter what kind of organs they have. Children and Animals do not have the ability to consent. Therefor any sexual actions against them would be rape.

Rape is not ok. Heterosexual rape is wrong. All kinds of rape are wrong. So its not Homosexuality vs Pedophilia. Its Not rape vs rape.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

If by having lust you mean feeling sexual desires for the preferred sex, then that's going to be pretty much unavoidable for most people with a normal sex drive. How you act on those feelings is what matters. There is still a difference between having a desire and taking actions to fulfill that desire. One can be avoided, the other cannot (unless you get castrated or take some similar measures).

Right, it is normal to find the opposite sex attractive, but to sit there and lust about them, Jesus made it clear that that would be considered going to far.

Simply having an attraction towards children or animals is not wrong, especially if one cannot help having those feelings: acting on those attractions is what is wrong because children and animals cannot give informed consent.

Well, if a 10 year old girl comes up to you and said "I want to jump your bones", or if your dog starts humping your leg...both seems like "informed consent" to me.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Anyone should be able to have consentual sex. It doesn't matter what kind of organs they have. Children and Animals do not have the ability to consent. Therefor any sexual actions against them would be rape.

Rape is not ok. Heterosexual rape is wrong. All kinds of rape are wrong. So its not Homosexuality vs Pedophilia. Its Not rape vs rape.

Right, but what is "consent"? If a law passed that said "The new legal age of consent is 10", then guess what?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Right, but what is "consent"? If a law passed that said "The new legal age of consent is 10", then guess what?

I would be morally against that law. It wouldn't be illegal would it? In japan the age of consent I believe is 13. They don't have any moral arguments against it.

But consent, in my opinion is the ability to make your own sexual decisions. In my opinion we don't have that ability at 10. Or 13 for that matter. Its why we have statutory rape.