Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[Parsimony]

Right, it is normal to find the opposite sex attractive, but to sit there and lust about them, Jesus made it clear that that would be considered going to far.

Which means that simply being gay is not a problem.

Well, if a 10 year old girl comes up to you and said "I want to jump your bones", or if your dog starts humping your leg...both seems like "informed consent" to me.

That would be consent, but it wouldn't be "informed". Children and animals are incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions to the same extent that adult humans can. Besides, my entire point is that having feelings in and of itself is not wrong and therefore simply being gay is not wrong. My argument is against your statement that "It would seem to me that the state or condition of being gay would constitute as a sin".

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

In retrospect, I should probably not be so quick to condemn the homophobes in this thread, even as much as I'd absolutely love to. Before being content with the fact that I'm bi, I was probably one of the biggest ones there was. A very hypocritical one at that. Anytime I saw anything involving gay guys (especially kissing) I'd be seething with faux "outrage" while at the same time, in my mind, wishing it were me. I'd also get super envious about how lucky women are because no one so much as bats an eye if they like girls and guys, but God forbid a guy thinks literally the exact same thing, and everybody absolutely loses their minds... but that was High School, and I got over it... eventually.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Which means that simply being gay is not a problem.

I guess simply being a thief or simply being a rapist is also not a problem..

That would be consent, but it wouldn't be "informed". Children and animals are incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions to the same extent that adult humans can.

Ok, so what if the man is STD free, and is infertile...so he can't get the child pregnant, or give her an STD...what are the consequences?? NOTHING.

Besides, my entire point is that having feelings in and of itself is not wrong and therefore simply being gay is not wrong. My argument is against your statement that "It would seem to me that the state or condition of being gay would constitute as a sin".

But the attraction will ultimately lead to lusting, and once you start lusting, that is when you've crossed over.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

I would be morally against that law. It wouldn't be illegal would it? In japan the age of consent I believe is 13. They don't have any moral arguments against it.

But consent, in my opinion is the ability to make your own sexual decisions. In my opinion we don't have that ability at 10. Or 13 for that matter. Its why we have statutory rape.

When you are 10 years old you know how to make your own sexual decisions. You know what cartoons you like and don't like..you know who want to be friends with, and not...you are making all kind of personal decisions. Hell, at 10, you even know which boy or girls you like and don't like.

My whole thing was the whole "its ok to have the feelings" notion. Is it? It seems to me as sexual feelings are sexual feelings, if that is the case.

 

[sojourner]

I just have one thing to say with regard to Call of the Wild's posts these past couple of pages:


YIKES!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I just have one thing to say with regard to Call of the Wild's posts these past couple of pages:


YIKES!

Indeed. I'm too tired to deal with that silliness.

 

[Parsimony]

I guess simply being a thief or simply being a rapist is also not a problem..

1) You can only be a thief or a rapist if you have acted on your impulses to be those things. Being homosexual is about having certain feelings and impulses, not whether you have acted on them or not.

2) Being attracted to members of your same sex does not cause harm to others, stealing and raping do.

Ok, so what if the man is STD free, and is infertile...so he can't get the child pregnant, or give her an STD...what are the consequences?? NOTHING.

Psychological and potentially physical consequences for the child. Besides, if it could be demonstrated that there absolutely were not any negative consequences of pedophilia, then that would only make the case for pedophilia being acceptable, not make a case for homosexuality being unacceptable.

But the attraction will ultimately lead to lusting, and once you start lusting, that is when you've crossed over.

Which works just as well against straight people as it does against gays. If being gay is bad because it "ultimately leads to lusting", then being straight is also bad because it causes the same thing. The only ones immune would be asexuals.

The same argument could be used against any married person who feels attraction to someone that they are not married to. So you could also say that attraction will ultimately lead to lusting, and that is when you've crossed over. If that is true, then all married people are ultimately going to sin because their attraction to other people, which they cannot help, is going to lead to lusting.

If what you say is true and being gay is in itself a sin, then that means God is going to send gays to Hell for something that they could not help, even if they were abstinent during life. Does that make any sense?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

When you are 10 years old you know how to make your own sexual decisions. You know what cartoons you like and don't like..you know who want to be friends with, and not...you are making all kind of personal decisions. Hell, at 10, you even know which boy or girls you like and don't like.

My whole thing was the whole "its ok to have the feelings" notion. Is it? It seems to me as sexual feelings are sexual feelings, if that is the case.

Foolishness.

 

[Ingledsva]

I guess simply being a thief or simply being a rapist is also not a problem..

...

You have already been asked to stop the ridiculousness of equating homosexuality with crimes!


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[Triumphant_Loser]

It is what it is..I admit, im *** up.

"Sinners" shaming other "sinners" for "sinning." This forum daily reminds me why I am a deist.

 

[Ingledsva]

"Sinners" shaming other "sinners" for "sinning." This forum daily reminds me why I am a deist.

And why I believe in being Spiritual, and not in any religion.



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[Call_of_the_Wild]

I just have one thing to say with regard to Call of the Wild's posts these past couple of pages:

YIKES!

Look, I am a heterosexual man that is married with one son...and the only thing that I've done on these "past couple of pages" was express my opinion on the subject of homosexuality as far as my interpretation of the bible is concerned..and as far as this interpretation is concerned, I am completely in line with biblical teachings, and if that causes me to get a "Yikes", then....oh well :cigar:

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Indeed. I'm too tired to deal with that silliness.

It really doesn't matter whether you are too tired or full of endless energy. You specifically stated that people can't force themselves to stop their sexual feelings, and this was in regards to homosexuals...all I did was draw a parrallel between homosexual feelings and other kinds of sexual feelings...and all you could say was "well, people with those "kinds" of feelings should see a doctor", well, I could easily say that normal sexual feelings are between male and females, so if a male is homosexual, then HE needs to see a doctor...as if your sexual feelings towards men is ok and other sexual feelings aren't.

Again, as far as I'm concerned, from a biblical perspective, any kind of sexual feelings towards anyone but your spouse is WRONG...and it is precisely based on that, that we can just go ahead and throw anything that doesn't fit the [male-female-marriage] criteria into the pits of darkness where it belongs, which would include homosexuality, lesbianism, transgender, fornication, adultery, pedophilia, zoophilia, etc.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

You have already been asked to stop the ridiculousness of equating homosexuality with crimes!

See, that is what separates God's law from man's law. You are talking about "crimes", I am talking about what is right or wrong according to God's law. Big difference there. Even if a law was passed that makes any and every kind of sexual act permissible, guess what, in God's law it would STILL BE WRONG, and that is what I am basing my posts off of.

 

[Bunyip]

See, that is what separates God's law from man's law. You are talking about "crimes", I am talking about what is right or wrong according to God's law. Big difference there. Even if a law was passed that makes any and every kind of sexual act permissible, guess what, in God's law it would STILL BE WRONG, and that is what I am basing my posts off of.

Yes, but wearing poly/cotton blends is also against god's law. So why is an òblique reference to homosexuality somehow more worthy of obedience than a direct commandment?

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

And why I believe in being Spiritual, and not in any religion.

Even demons are spirits.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Yes, but wearing poly/cotton blends is also against god's law.

Must be some old testament jewish stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with Christians today.

So why is an òblique reference to homosexuality somehow more worthy of obedience than a direct commandment?

Oblique? I won't answer until I have a dictionary and a lawyer present..

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

"Sinners" shaming other "sinners" for "sinning." This forum daily reminds me why I am a deist.

"Sinners" shaming other "sinners" for "sinning." That is a good line...it would be a GREAT line had it actually applied to me.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

1) You can only be a thief or a rapist if you have acted on your impulses to be those things. Being homosexual is about having certain feelings and impulses, not whether you have acted on them or not.

I can dig it.

2) Being attracted to members of your same sex does not cause harm to others, stealing and raping do.

Having a tank in my backyard doesn't cause harm to others either, but it is against the law for me to have.

And on judgement day (should there be such), let that be every homosexual's defense when they stand before the Almighty..."Being attracted to members of your same sex does not cause harm to others."

Psychological and potentially physical consequences for the child. Besides, if it could be demonstrated that there absolutely were not any negative consequences of pedophilia, then that would only make the case for pedophilia being acceptable, not make a case for homosexuality being unacceptable.

I am speaking strictly in terms of whether God exists (Christian)...if God doesn't exist, then it really doesn't matter what goes on in anyone's sexual life and I would never even partake in such a discussion that doesn't really matter. But if God does exist and he has a certain way he'd like his creature to do things, whether we are talking intimate unions or otherwise, then we should listen to his words.

Thats all I'm saying.

Which works just as well against straight people as it does against gays. If being gay is bad because it "ultimately leads to lusting", then being straight is also bad because it causes the same thing. The only ones immune would be asexuals.

Kryp..it is bad. Jesus said that if a man even looks at a woman lustfully, he already committed adultery in his heart.

The same argument could be used against any married person who feels attraction to someone that they are not married to. So you could also say that attraction will ultimately lead to lusting, and that is when you've crossed over.

Right!!! It does lead to lusting. It is adulterous lusting...I know, because I live it every single day as a man!!!!

If that is true, then all married people are ultimately going to sin because their attraction to other people, which they cannot help, is going to lead to lusting.

Once again, you are right. Being part of a fallen world, every single day is a struggle to do the right thing, and this isn't just regarding lust, but anything that is distasteful in God's eyes. But I think that ultimately, lust is what is keeping people from God. Its not all about homosexuals, bro. There are plenty of heterosexual men and women out there that are fornicating, which is also wrong...which is why I told Saint that heteros don't have it easy, either.

We are all in a struggle to do whats right in the eyes of God, and it isn't easy.

If what you say is true and being gay is in itself a sin, then that means God is going to send gays to Hell for something that they could not help, even if they were abstinent during life. Does that make any sense?

Now this is deep. Hmmm, if gays are abstinent during life...they are still gay, but they are abstinent, do they go to hell? I would have to say no. But it is a difficult question to answer...and I really don't know how to answer it, admittedly. I don't have a knock-down argument...all I know is that it seems to me that biblically speaking, an active homosexual lifestyle is against the word of God...but so is an active fornicating heterosexual lifestyle.

So ultimately, I don't really have an answer, which is why I am never judgmental regarding these kind of things..but I do know that the God that I love and worship is a just God, and I accept by faith that whatever decision he makes is the right one. As it says in Romans 3:4 "Let God be the true, and every man liars"

 

[dgirl1986]

I have to wonder how many anti gay people actually know a gay person in their personal life.