Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[AlphaAlex115]

No, it doesn't. Why don't you actually read your own thread? It's been shown that those verses aren't anti-gay over and over again. If you refuse to see that, then you're either trolling or being willfully ignorant.

??? show me where its not antigay then ???

 

[Parsimony]

Having a tank in my backyard doesn't cause harm to others either, but it is against the law for me to have.

I thought we were talking about "right and wrong" not "legal and illegal". You know there's a difference, right? I would not consider simply owning a tank to be morally wrong. It's what you do with that tank that matters.

And on judgement day (should there be such), let that be every homosexual's defense when they stand before the Almighty..."Being attracted to members of your same sex does not cause harm to others."

It doesn't, so why should God care? Remember, we are talking about abstinent homosexuals here.

I am speaking strictly in terms of whether God exists (Christian)...if God doesn't exist, then it really doesn't matter what goes on in anyone's sexual life and I would never even partake in such a discussion that doesn't really matter. But if God does exist and he has a certain way he'd like his creature to do things, whether we are talking intimate unions or otherwise, then we should listen to his words.

Thats all I'm saying.

Except we are not talking about intimate unions, we are talking about having homosexuality as an orientation. This is, again, about abstinent homosexuals.

Kryp..it is bad. Jesus said that if a man even looks at a woman lustfully, he already committed adultery in his heart.

Right!!! It does lead to lusting. It is adulterous lusting...I know, because I live it every single day as a man!!!!

Once again, you are right. Being part of a fallen world, every single day is a struggle to do the right thing, and this isn't just regarding lust, but anything that is distasteful in God's eyes. But I think that ultimately, lust is what is keeping people from God. Its not all about homosexuals, bro. There are plenty of heterosexual men and women out there that are fornicating, which is also wrong...which is why I told Saint that heteros don't have it easy, either.

We are all in a struggle to do whats right in the eyes of God, and it isn't easy.

Then lust has no place in an anti-homosexual argument because it applies equally to heterosexuality.

Now this is deep. Hmmm, if gays are abstinent during life...they are still gay, but they are abstinent, do they go to hell? I would have to say no. But it is a difficult question to answer...and I really don't know how to answer it, admittedly. I don't have a knock-down argument...all I know is that it seems to me that biblically speaking, an active homosexual lifestyle is against the word of God...but so is an active fornicating heterosexual lifestyle.

So ultimately, I don't really have an answer, which is why I am never judgmental regarding these kind of things..but I do know that the God that I love and worship is a just God, and I accept by faith that whatever decision he makes is the right one. As it says in Romans 3:4 "Let God be the true, and every man liars"

According to your statement, "It would seem to me that the state or condition of being gay would constitute as a sin", even abstinent homosexuals who can keep their lust under control definitely go to Hell, as no sin can enter into Heaven. So what would you tell a homosexual who wants to go to Heaven? Stop being gay? Maybe you should talk to a few and see how often that's worked out for them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

??? show me where its not antigay then ???

Have you been paying attention to this thread at all?!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Hinduism talks about sex-change. Shikhandi born as a woman changing into a male. It also talks about inability to perform sex (kleva), allowing a woman to conceive from a person other than her husband (niyoga) and full acceptance of the child, but I have not come across any incident of homosexuality.

In Germanic religion, Loki turned into a woman at times and even turned into a mare and gave birth to several children after having sex with a stallion. Thor cross dressed at one point. Odin might've had gay sex as a part of learning seidr.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm pretty sure if Jesus of Nazereth were alive today, the last thing he'd be was a Christian. I'd like to think of him more as a deist. Jesus never said a single thing about homosexuality. It was either some tribal Old Testament law, or that serial-killing sexist, Paul.

Yup. There's nothing in there about transgenderism, either, which I noticed that Call of the Wild threw into his post. I'm a transsexual but that's a medical condition that requires treatment. It shouldn't even be a religious issue.

 

[AlphaAlex115]

Have you been paying attention to this thread at all?!

... Just show e where

 

[Ingledsva]

I am a Catholic and my religion teaches that suffering from same sex attraction is not a sin but if you act on that action in a sexual way then it is definitely a sin and gravely so. This is my belief and I hold it as the universal truth.

So you just ignore that the NT actually doesn't condemn it?

And Jesus said nothing against them?


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[Ingledsva]

You said you are "spiritual", and demons are also "spiritual" :yes:

I suggest you get out a good encyclopedic dictionary and look up the NON religious uses of the word.

You folks are the ones that believe in invisible beings.



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[Ingledsva]

Reading comprehension, people. I specifically used an example which involved a law being passed at which it was legal to have relations with children...so if that was the case, then it would be no "REAL CRIME AGAINST CHILDREN OR HUMANITY", and if God doesn't exist, then there is no objective right or wrong anyway, regardless of how strong anyone disagrees.

Absolute BULL!


You have said the same kinds of things in multiple posts.



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[Ingledsva]

"Highly insulting"? Too bad, because homosexuality is "highly insulting" to the Almighty, as it abuses the system regarding intimate unions he set in place since the very beginning of creation with Adam and Eve.

In YOUR opinion!


NO proof of such!


We have shown the verses are about Sacred Sex Prostitute practices, which are idolatry.




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[Ingledsva]

According to the word of God, homosexuality and pedophilia are both abominations, point blank, period.

That is quite humorous!


There is no proof of such in the Bible.


And they were pedophiles, - they raped the young that had not known man, - after murdering everybody else.


And I have provided extra material, - multiple times ,- showing that a child three years and one day old could be taken in marriage by intercourse!



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[Ingledsva]

??? show me where its not antigay then ???

We have already countered every verse you folks have put up claiming they are about homosexuals.


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[Sundance]

As a Unitarian Universalist, I can emphatically say....NOOOOOO!!

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Absolute BULL!


You have said the same kinds of things in multiple posts.

Nothing wrong with the truth being constantly reinforced

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

That is quite humorous!


There is no proof of such in the Bible.


And they were pedophiles, - they raped the young that had not known man, - after murdering everybody else.


And I have provided extra material, - multiple times ,- showing that a child three years and one day old could be taken in marriage by intercourse!

Ok, Ingle...you've made it very clear that being wrong doesn't seem to bother you, so what more can I say?

 

[sojourner]

"Highly insulting"? Too bad, because homosexuality is "highly insulting" to the Almighty, as it abuses the system regarding intimate unions he set in place since the very beginning of creation with Adam and Eve.

What do you care? You're not gay! Why must you foist your [mistaken] values upon the rest of us, who simply want to honor and respect each other?

 

[Ingledsva]

That is quite humorous!


There is no proof of such in the Bible.


And they were pedophiles, - they raped the young that had not known man, - after murdering everybody else.


And I have provided extra material, - multiple times ,- showing that a child three years and one day old could be taken in marriage by intercourse!

Ok, Ingle...you've made it very clear that being wrong doesn't seem to bother you, so what more can I say?

You are such a hoot!

You lose these debates over and over, and still write crap like that above.


This thread alone, has proven every text you folks put up as meaning homosexuals - is wrong.


And here are some kiddy verses.


Numbers 31 17-18 (New International Version) 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl child who has never slept with a man.

Deut 21:12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may take her and be her master/owner and she shall be your female.

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Gen 24:16 And the damsel (NA'ARAH - PREPUBESCENT child!) was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.

Gen 24:59 And they sent away Rebekah their sister, and her NURSE (YANAK -MILK NURSE,) and Abraham's servant, and his men.

Gen 24:67 And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.

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Babylonian Talmud. "Rabbi Joseph said, 'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.'

MISHNAH: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

GEMARA: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse."

Historian Josephus, Antiquities, XIX, 354 - It is even stated that - "A girl aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husbands brother cohabited with her, she becomes his." - 80


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[Aupmanyav]

You said you are "spiritual", and demons are also "spiritual" :yes:

Well, all demons in Hinduism were great devotees. They got their powers from Gods, but used them wrongly. Bhasmasura, Hiranya Kashipu and Hiranya Kashyapa, Ravana andKumbhakarna, Banasura, etc.

 

[AlphaAlex115]

We have already countered every verse you folks have put up claiming they are about homosexuals.


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where exactly? quote it

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

What do you care? You're not gay! Why must you foist your [mistaken] values upon the rest of us, who simply want to honor and respect each other?

I was merely answering the question of the thread..."Is being gay a sin according to your religion"

According to MY religion, it is.