Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[Apple Sugar]

So, expressing who one is in intimacy with one whom one truly loves... is sin? Not all Christians (or even denominational authorities) would agree with you. The question is very much up for debate within Xy, so such a broad statement as "being sexually active as a homosexual is sinful" is untenable.

Sexual immorality is a sin in scripture. Homosexual sex is an abomination in the eyes of God in the Bible. The only thing untenable are the arguments those who advocate immorality attempt to make so as to tout indecency is right and scripture condemning it doesn't exist.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

So, expressing who one is in intimacy with one whom one truly loves... is sin? Not all Christians (or even denominational authorities) would agree with you. The question is very much up for debate within Xy, so such a broad statement as "being sexually active as a homosexual is sinful" is untenable.

I had a Baptist friend (more like acquaintence) who told me being that me being bi was a sin. This same friend also frequently mentioned his love of lesbian pornography as well.

 

[Apple Sugar]

I had a Baptist friend (more like acquaintence) who told me being that me being bi was a sin. This same friend also frequently mentioned his love of lesbian pornography as well.

Then he was a hypocrite and a backslider. Or a liar when claiming to be Baptist.

 

[allright]

Sexual immorality is a sin in scripture. Homosexual sex is an abomination in the eyes of God in the Bible. The only thing untenable are the arguments those who advocate immorality attempt to make so as to tout indecency is right and scripture condemning it doesn't exist.

Amen and Amen

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sexual immorality is a sin in scripture. Homosexual sex is an abomination in the eyes of God in the Bible. The only thing untenable are the arguments those who advocate immorality attempt to make so as to tout indecency is right and scripture condemning it doesn't exist.

That's debatable. It's not helpful to read modern prejudices into ancient writings, especially if you study the texts in their original languages and in the cultural context, and they don't bear out the interpretations of those looking for anti-gay bigotry. Besides, if there is some all-powerful and all-wise universal creator deity, I'm pretty sure he/she/it isn't going to be sharing the same petty bigotries as a certain ape species on one tiny planet out of trillions.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

That's debatable. It's not helpful to read modern prejudices into ancient writings, especially if you study the texts in their original languages and in the cultural context, and they don't bear out the interpretations of those looking for anti-gay bigotry. Besides, if there is some all-powerful and all-wise universal creator deity, I'm pretty sure he/she/it isn't going to be sharing the same petty bigotries as a certain ape species on one tiny planet out of trillions.

You took the words right out of my mouth. The fact that people still think that Deity invests all of its time worrying about this one obscure dirt-speck in some far away corner of the universe is a tad petty.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You took the words right out of my mouth. The fact that people still think that Deity invests all of its time worrying about this one obscure dirt-speck in some far away corner of the universe is a tad petty.

Which is one glaring reason why all the "one true universal creator deity" religions that claim to speak in the name of this alleged entity are wrong on the face of it. If there is such a being, I'm quite sure it's never contacted humans and we wouldn't understand such a being at all. We don't even understand the universe, ourselves or all the things that exist on this planet yet, let alone something that's supposed to be infinitely grander, more complex and transcendent of the entire universe.

Which is why I'm a polytheist and think the gods that humans know of are local to this planet and that some of these beings are playing nasty tricks with us.

 

[Apple Sugar]

That's debatable. It's not helpful to read modern prejudices into ancient writings, especially if you study the texts in their original languages and in the cultural context, and they don't bear out the interpretations of those looking for anti-gay bigotry. Besides, if there is some all-powerful and all-wise universal creator deity, I'm pretty sure he/she/it isn't going to be sharing the same petty bigotries as a certain ape species on one tiny planet out of trillions.

Anti-gay bigotry doesn't apply to Christianity. As for a cultural context, homosexuality wasn't accepted in the realm of the ancient Hebrews and that was the origin of the religious who are Christian today.
As for the observation about Deity, many religions describe a malevolent creator who punished his/her creation for their human transgressions. Though this is something anti-Christian bigotry will very often fail to recognize or mention.

 

[Apple Sugar]

You took the words right out of my mouth. The fact that people still think that Deity invests all of its time worrying about this one obscure dirt-speck in some far away corner of the universe is a tad petty.

Whereas the Deist Deity created everything and then turned it's back on it and let if survive or fail without looking back. That's a huge depraved indifference to the fate of all the energy it put in to create everything that would be made in its likeness.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Which is one glaring reason why all the "one true universal creator deity" religions that claim to speak in the name of this alleged entity are wrong on the face of it. If there is such a being, I'm quite sure it's never contacted humans and we wouldn't understand such a being at all. We don't even understand the universe, ourselves or all the things that exist on this planet yet, let alone something that's supposed to be infinitely grander, more complex and transcendent of the entire universe.

Which is why I'm a polytheist and think the gods that humans know of are local to this planet and that some of these beings are playing nasty tricks with us.

If that were/is true, one can never argue the Christian God possesses any negative characteristics when he is innate in his creation as well as extrinsic.

The polytheist ideology as you describe it makes for many god's. And given the world stage at this time, many innate beings displaying depraved indifference to their creation while exhibiting callous disrespect for the worship they receive in return.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Anti-gay bigotry doesn't apply to Christianity.

Now you're just being silly.

As for a cultural context, homosexuality wasn't accepted in the realm of the ancient Hebrews and that was the origin of the religious who are Christian today.

Wrong. The furthest you could go with that claim is that it was looked down upon for a male to submit to anal sex with another male. The OT says nothing about homosexuality in general being wrong and says nothing about lesbianism at all. That's to be expected from patriarchal cultures.

As for the observation about Deity, many religions describe a malevolent creator who punished his/her creation for their human transgressions. Though this is something anti-Christian bigotry will very often fail to recognize or mention.

Yeah, that's Gnosticism and many of them were/are Christians.

 

[Ingledsva]

Me thinks thou dost protest overmuch. If you didn't care you wouldn't rant about how much you didn't care. You'd simply ignore Yahweh and his minions all together.


ING - BULL! The Gay community has to care, and counter, as Christianity is trying to prevent them having the same rights as heterosexuals.


And you wouldn't also revere his creation that was, according to his predetermination for the world, his antithesis. Everything a Luciferian espouses is the anti-characteristic of God. But Lucifer was created by God and as source contains the properties, the spirit of God. Just as a child contains the DNA of both parents. Satanists and Luciferians are worshiping the dual nature of the God that some, like you, condemn.
That's cute.


ING - There is no Lucifer in the Bible. It is misunderstanding, and mistranslation.


As for the OP question: Being gay isn't a sin in Christianity. Being sexually active as a homosexual is.


ING - Actually Temple Sex is, not homosexuality.


Further, as this was brought up at least in the later pages of this thread, so too is Transsexualism. Genesis 1:27. God made man and woman. Psalm 139, says he knitted us together in the womb to be exactly as he made us to be.

Transsexualism is a religious issue when ultra-left transsexuals attempt to interject their illness into the secular realm and trespass as a minority on others and be tolerated rather than treated for what even one Trans in this thread called a medical condition.


ING - Well then, I guess that proves your God and Bible false! People are born in all stages between one sex and the other. Does hermaphrodite ring any bells?


One doesn't have to like the tenets in the Christian religion. That's probably why they're not Christian. But it demonstrates a lack of rational intellect to condemn the faith others have and espouse tolerance for all else.

And whom would be doing that?

We have argued from both Science FACT, and Biblical translation.


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[Ingledsva]

Sexual immorality is a sin in scripture. Homosexual sex is an abomination in the eyes of God in the Bible. The only thing untenable are the arguments those who advocate immorality attempt to make so as to tout indecency is right and scripture condemning it doesn't exist.

No - Temple Sex, which is Idolatry, is an abomination, worthy of death, according to the Bible.



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[Ingledsva]

Anti-gay bigotry doesn't apply to Christianity.


ING - Yes it does. They aren't just thinking it. They are trying to prevent Gay people from having the same rights as heterosexuals.


As for a cultural context, homosexuality wasn't accepted in the realm of the ancient Hebrews and that was the origin of the religious who are Christian today.


ING - I think you need to go back and read our debates on this subject. Sacred Sex verses become confused by later people, and THEN we have it become a cultural taboo.


As for the observation about Deity, many religions describe a malevolent creator who punished his/her creation for their human transgressions. Though this is something anti-Christian bigotry will very often fail to recognize or mention.

What about your "God" supposedly murdering the innocent?

And having all the skitzo emotions of humans - anger, vengeance, murder, torture, slavery of his own people, HUGE mood swings!


Allowing rape, slavery, genocide, murder, etc.


This is because he is just a made-up being, by a patriarchal culture, that wanted to get away with doing all of those things.



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[Ingledsva]

Whereas the Deist Deity created everything and then turned it's back on it and let if survive or fail without looking back. That's a huge depraved indifference to the fate of all the energy it put in to create everything that would be made in its likeness.

LOL! As opposed to one that supposedly had a brain-fart and murdered all of his creation, including the dumb animals, except for eight people, and the animals on a far too small Ark?


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[Saint Frankenstein]

If that were/is true, one can never argue the Christian God possesses any negative characteristics when he is innate in his creation as well as extrinsic.

The polytheist ideology as you describe it makes for many god's. And given the world stage at this time, many innate beings displaying depraved indifference to their creation while exhibiting callous disrespect for the worship they receive in return.

You seem to be a bit confused. I don't believe in any creator deity. I believe that the Cosmos created/creates and sustains itself. My views are similar to that of the Hellenic and Hindu ideas of creation.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Whereas the Deist Deity created everything and then turned it's back on it and let if survive or fail without looking back. That's a huge depraved indifference to the fate of all the energy it put in to create everything that would be made in its likeness.

I find it better to believe a completely neutral Deity, than in one that picks favorites. In Christianity, some people are "blessed" with good health, while others get cancer.

 

[sojourner]

Sexual immorality is a sin in scripture. Homosexual sex is an abomination in the eyes of God in the Bible. The only thing untenable are the arguments those who advocate immorality attempt to make so as to tout indecency is right and scripture condemning it doesn't exist.

Oh, the scripture is there, all right. But it has nothing to do with "in the eyes of God," and everything to do with "in the eyes of the writers." What is untenable is the insistence that the bible is infallible and that it was written by God.

Leaving aside the issue that homosexual acts are "condemned in the bible," what, pray tell, is immoral about expressing oneself sexually with the person one loves (assuming that such expression is consensual and mutual, and that there is relational commitment present)?

 

[sojourner]

Anti-gay bigotry doesn't apply to Christianity.

Of course it does. Get your head out of the sand of religious entitlement.

As for a cultural context, homosexuality wasn't accepted in the realm of the ancient Hebrews and that was the origin of the religious who are Christian today.

Read your post carefully: "Ancient/today." Despite the fact that there are cultural differences between Jews and Christians -- almost from the very beginning, which is why the Xtians were shortly kicked out of the synagogues -- you point out an irrefutable fact in using "ancient/today" in the same sentence. Postmodern culture is different from ancient culture, and they can't be reconciled. And before you try that "God is the same today and yesterday" crap, while God may be constant, human beings certainly are not -- and how we relate to our sexual nature and various identities changes over time.

 

[AlphaAlex115]

Of course it does. Get your head out of the sand of religious entitlement.

Read your post carefully: "Ancient/today." Despite the fact that there are cultural differences between Jews and Christians -- almost from the very beginning, which is why the Xtians were shortly kicked out of the synagogues -- you point out an irrefutable fact in using "ancient/today" in the same sentence. Postmodern culture is different from ancient culture, and they can't be reconciled. And before you try that "God is the same today and yesterday" crap, while God may be constant, human beings certainly are not -- and how we relate to our sexual nature and various identities changes over time.

irrefutable fact? how is that irrefutable? if anything its refutable