Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[Ben Dhyan]

You are wrong Ben. There are atheists who are Buddhists. IE: http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/buddhaatheism.htm. And there is secular Buddhism which is more agnostic in nature.

Now that Spiny has agreed he has a spirit...I will reconsider my understanding....I had thought that Spiny did not believe in spirit....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ben, right after this comment you wrote:

That is considered, IMO, somewhat rude.

You have not kept up with the thread....we've gone way past that....I was at the time trying to get Spiny to confirm whether he has a spirit....which you and I agree he had.. I am now persuaded by you and Draka that he agreed with you...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I think that's the idea. A little presumptuous, to say the least.

Now that I understand you admit to having a spirit......we can be brothers in spirit and move on to find perhaps more common ground than we have in the past.....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

That mere mortals claim themselves to be spiritual is the height of arrogance and ignorance...

Yep.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Now that I understand you admit to having a spirit.......

"Admit"? You sound like you're on the bench judging a case.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

"Admit"? You sound like you're on the bench judging a case.

I never understood that you understood you had a spirit....brother...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Coming back to the topic, I really struggle to see how a mature spiritual path can involve discrimination based on race, gender or sexual orientation. Discrimination and bigotry are among the more unpleasant aspects of human nature, so condoning or encouraging such attitudes seems very strange.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have done so on many occasions...you should read the thread....spiritual is a concept that represents a state of reality that is not of this world...a state of transcendence...

I have actually read the entire thread.

I know there are people who look at spiritual matters as things "affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things," or "a sense of connection to something bigger than ourselves," as the dictionary defines it. Using that definition, just about anybody can be spiritual. Atheists included.

I know a lot of people who claim they are good people, but I know they are not...

Claiming to be good and claiming to be spiritual aren't the same thing. So I'm not sure where you're going with this comment.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am not being judgmental.....I am be faithful to Abrahamic religious scripture... You are free to disagree with the scripture and thus with me to honor it...but that does not change the fact of what the bible has to say on the matter... As for the claim that atheists can be spiritual....that has drifted off topic but suffice to say that my own understanding of what spirituality implies...is not the same as those who think that a spiritual atheist is not a oxymoron think...

So who says the Bible is the be-all and end-all on spiritual matters?

 

[dgirl1986]

Basically monotheists want a monopoly on religion and spirituality, and can't cope with diversity.

Sadly, this seems to be the case for many.

 

[dgirl1986]

Jesus was a Jew...homosexuality is an abomination according to the Torah... Your homosexual or pro-homosexual bigotry is showing in your intolerance to those of us who adhere to the moral codes of the Abrahamic religion...

I am pretty sure pro-homosexuality bigotry isn't a thing lol. There are plenty of things that were a sin for jews that the modern christian and population do now...but I guess people just want to control how others have sex and who they love.

 

[dgirl1986]

I see anger aimed at me for standing up for the Abrahamic sexual moral code...do you see it or are you blind?

You mean like the sexual moral code that let women be raped in the name of god?

 

[dgirl1986]

Ok..I see both sides here...the homos and pro-homos trying to impose their false view of the bible position and those that support the Abrahamic moral codes... So are you admitting that the homos and pro-homos are trying to shove their beliefs onto others?

Firstly - we don't generally call ourselves homos. You use this term in an attempt to dehumanize us.

We do not impose a false view of anything. We just want the religious to keep their rules to themselves, let us live, and do our own thing.

The only beliefs that any gay people can impose on someone is their own religious belief. Stop trying to turn it into something it is not.

 

[dgirl1986]

Expressing anger at those who live by the sexual moral code of the Abrahamic religion....

If I expressed anger towards heterosexuals the same way that a lot of religious heterosexuals treated us, most of us would be in jail for assault.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have actually read the entire thread.

I know there are people who look at spiritual matters as things "affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things," or "a sense of connection to something bigger than ourselves," as the dictionary defines it. Using that definition, just about anybody can be spiritual. Atheists included.


Claiming to be good and claiming to be spiritual aren't the same thing. So I'm not sure where you're going with this comment.

Congratulations...
Yes, using that definition.....everyone is spiritual... and therefore it becomes meaningless in a discussion about matters of spirit itself.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So who says the Bible is the be-all and end-all on spiritual matters?

Using the dictionary meaning we just discussed....it isn't....even atheistic literature can be considered spiritual.. But then there is reality....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Firstly - we don't generally call ourselves homos. You use this term in an attempt to dehumanize us.

We do not impose a false view of anything. We just want the religious to keep their rules to themselves, let us live, and do our own thing.

The only beliefs that any gay people can impose on someone is their own religious belief. Stop trying to turn it into something it is not.

Hi dgirl1986, the language is what it is...

But there are pro-active LGBT who step over the line, rather than just do their own thing...imho...

What is it that you think I am I doing that you want me to stop?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

If I expressed anger towards heterosexuals the same way that a lot of religious heterosexuals treated us, most of us would be in jail for assault.

I understand...but I was referring to the animosity I sensed from many posters on this forum merely because of my position...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Basically monotheists want a monopoly on religion and spirituality, and can't cope with diversity.

Hey, don't paint us all with the same brush. I'm a monotheist, but I'm also progressive. Monotheism teaches that we're all equal children of the Creator and He has chosen to create a glorious diversity reflecting His own multifacetedness. Sexual and gender diversity is but one aspect of that multifacetedness.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hey, don't paint us all with the same brush. I'm a monotheist, but I'm also progressive. Monotheism teaches that we're all equal children of the Creator and He has chosen to create a glorious diversity reflecting His own multifacetedness. Sexual and gender diversity is but one aspect of that multifacetedness.

What exactly do you think is God's glorious creative purpose of homosexuality.....and where is the scripture to support your claim?