Buttercup
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But, isn't that a double standard? If your born gay God sees it as Ok but if you're not he sees it as sin? I don't get it.
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Is Being Gay Ok If You're Born That Way?
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But, isn't that a double standard? If your born gay God sees it as Ok but if you're not he sees it as sin? I don't get it.
I have no idea what God sees as a sin, that is for each individual to find out for themselves. It doesn't even matter if I were to see it as a sin (and as I said in another thread, I am not decided on this issue, and I see no resolution to it)-- I could be mistaken. I am not always right about things. I pray to God to give me guidance. Since I have found no resolution in this particular case, I have to assume that it is none of my business since I was born a heterosexual. Each action, whether it is sin or not sin, is up to each individual.
But one thing I do know, gays have always been mistreated so I don't think anyone would choose this lifestyle unless they born that way, so I think that that if someone is gay, that were born that way. I don't see a lot of evidence to prove they were not born that way.
athanasius
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Is Being Gay Ok If You're Born That Way?
That is like asking "is being a alcoholic or living the Alcoholic lifestyle ok because your genetically born with those tendencies and attractions in your mind." You could also insert many things in the same question like Is being a Sexual predator or a murderer ok because one is born with psychological disorders in his mind. Answer: NO!
That is like asking "is being a alcoholic or living the Alcoholic lifestyle ok because your genetically born with those tendencies and attractions in your mind." You could also insert many things in the same question like Is being a Sexual predator or a murderer ok because one is born with psychological disorders in his mind. Answer: NO!
Jeremiah
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"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " - Lev 20:13
It seems to me that the bible is talking only about sex with another man(not women).
It says nothing about a dress code, living together, holding hands in public, kissing another man, ect. Only sex.
It also says they should be killed for such a act.(I guess some parts are overlooked)
Buttercup
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Perhaps you aren't understanding my question and I need to clarify. If scientifically it is discovered that one's sexual attractions are genetically designed much like eye color, hair color, skin color, etc. how could that be wrong?
No one has answered my question of.....Does God make mistakes?
athanasius
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It would seem that you could use a parallel argument in saying that some are designed with love and attraction of alcohol(just task the Alcoholic) and some to murder and molestation of children, just ask the predators. There minds were designed that way genetically with those attractions! Does that make it ok for them to perform those things or lead their lifestyle choice proudly? After all it is in their genetics to have these attractions. The answer of coarse is no. It wouldn't really matter if it was nature or nuture the churches would still see it as unnatural and wrong to live the lifestyle. God simply created this person with his own crosses to bear. God does not make mistakes. But the topic was not about that anyway the topic was about being ok to live a gay lifestyle if genetics proved the attraction. So not to sound like a repeat but :Is Being Gay Ok If You're Born That Way? That is like asking "is being a alcoholic or living the Alcoholic lifestyle ok because your genetically born with those tendencies and attractions in your mind." You could also insert many things in the same question like Is being a Sexual predator or a murderer ok because one is born with psychological disorders in his mind. Answer: NO!
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The question is unanswerable, Buttercup. If He is not omnipotent and omniscient, yes, he could make mistakes but these arguments are redundant if GOD does not participate in Creation in an active and ongoing way (ie. Deism is true). If he does participate in an active and ongoing way in Creation, directing and organizing everything as some say He does, then we have to face up to the fact that there are no such things as "mistakes" except in our erroneous perception, for where you and I might see "chance" or "misfortune" another more enlightened person might only see providence.
Jeremiah
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Buttercup
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I don't see being attracted to the same sex as a parallel comparison to a murderer, pedophile, sexual predator or alcoholic. Those actions hurt others. Being attracted to the same sex, especially if it's genetically determined like your eye color tells me you are designed that way.
Tell me something. In biblical days it was customary to stone a woman for having sex before marriage in some cases. Why isn't that still performed today?
Jeremiah
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So God is just messing with people than?
Yeah, God did it!
If you are consistant, you can go ahead and blame everything else on Him.
At the very least, He allowed it. Which get's you into the whole "Problem of evil" discussion.
Jeremiah
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I don't believe God exist how can I blame anything on God.
athanasius
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I have no anger or hate towards my brothers with same sex attraction. I pray that they will be strong in Christ and I hope to see them in heaven. I have many gay friends. I love and accept them for who they are. But that doesn't mean that I should accept the lifestyle they choose to lead when I believe it is contrary to natural law and divine law. and it also does not make it right or acceptable as a lifestyle just because it can be found genetically as I have shown in both my earlier post(# 43 and 46) which clearly shows the folly of this false idea.
Peace be with you always and God bless you
In Jesus through Mary,
Athanasius
Well, you sure have no problem asking questions about something that doesn't exist.
Jeremiah
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Well, you sure have no problem asking questions about something that doesn't exist.
Your right I do not have a problem speaking as if God existed. I really don't see how that is a problem(or topic).
athanasius
Well-Known Member
My point is simple. Christians believe that acting on homosexual drives can be dangerous and hurtful to that person and others at least spiritually and sometimes physically. the point was that just because something is found to be genetic(like Alcholism or homosexual attraction), doesn't mean that it is ok to promote or lead a lifestyle that is based off of those genetic tendancies. And for that reason as I have already shown in my post # 43 and 46, the understanding of this will not ever be accepted by the Christians churches even if it is proved to be genetic based.
I don't think you can compare being attracted to the same sex with murder, Child molestation, or whatever. The latter of those hurts other people while being attracted to another person hurts no one.
Sex isn't really the issue, after all, having sex outside of marriage is always considered wrong in the Judeo and Christian faiths.
Sex isn't really the issue, after all, having sex outside of marriage is always considered wrong in the Judeo and Christian faiths.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
Tell me how a gay person is hurting someone when they have sex with if it's consentual?