No thanks.
It's bound to lead me down a path of disagreement. My observation still stands.
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Is Being Gay Ok If You're Born That Way?
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It's bound to lead me down a path of disagreement. My observation still stands.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
I'm not gay so I don't want you to think I started this thread to battle for myself. But, answers like yours are one of the reasons I left Christianity. Many Christians won't listen to science and I find that fact deplorable and ignorant.
If science discovers that being gay is much the same as having blue eyes.... in other words, you have no choice in the matter, I will never understand how a religious person can still call it sin. It's simply ludicrous and ignorant.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
Ok, but with all due respect it wasn't much of a point.No thanks.
It's bound to lead me down a path of disagreement. My observation still stands.
It hasn't yet that I am aware of. Either way, it wouldn't make a difference. Plenty of homosexuals are able to abstain from sexual acts (by choice mind you). So why would it be relevant?
athanasius
Well-Known Member
Having the attraction isn't whats hurts people. That is true for alcoholics, predators, and those with same sex attractions. Its acting on those attractions and leading the lifestyle that can be hurtful. You are correct having sex outside of marriage is wrong so acting on wrongful heterosexual attractions outside of marriage can also be mortally sinful and not acceptable as a lifestyle in the church too.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
What color are your eyes?
Perhaps you didn't capture it's full implications.Ok, but with all due respect it wasn't much of a point.
standing_alone
Well-Known Member
No thanks.
It's bound to lead me down a path of disagreement. My observation still stands.
A path of disagreement? But isn't that kind of the purpose of a debate thread?
athanasius
Well-Known Member
I do not hate child molesters, I pray for them, they have their own cross to bear like I have mine. I already have told you in my other post that I do not hate or judge you either. God created everyone and we all were given crosses to bear and Jesus said we must take up our cross or we cannot be his followers.
I do not equivocate homosexuals with child molesters, although I do believe that both of them act out of a disordered psychological desire(so do heterosexuals many times in theology we call this conqupenses).The whole point of my comparison is to show that just because something may be found to be genetic doesn't mean that it should become acceptable as a lifestyle by the Christian churches. I proved my point in Post 43 and 46. That is all. seems like your the one who is angry my brother. Peace to you
May almighty God bless you In Jesus through Mary,
Athanaisus
To disagree? I always saw it more like a means to understand each other. I'm sure some people enjoy tearing others down but I want nothing to do with that.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
Please provide a definitive source on how homosexuality is hurtful, or you point is moot.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
I am under the opinion that certain people do that sort of thing because they have very low self-esteem. They feel better about themselves by attacking others. It is wrong but, unfortunately, people will still do the wrong things. I am glad you wouldn't do that.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
You said....."Hurt" is a subjective judgement call. I hope you can see that. I was just hoping you'd explain how gays hurt anyone.Perhaps you didn't capture it's full implications.
Definitive source? If you can find a definitive source on anything regarding morality let me know. That's the point I was trying to make with Buttercup.
athanasius
Well-Known Member
As already mentioned spiritually it is harmful and considered a mortal sin in the catholic church to engage in these activities. So your eternal soul is on line here and that is one way how it can be harmful,just as harmful as being a alcoholic. That should be enough to settle the question for Catholics at least. But ask any doctor, I have, and they will tell you that the anus is not meant or constructed physically to be penetrated by a penis. It can cause a host of problems down the road for both persons. So many doctors(including the doctor from loveline on MTV) argue that type of behavior that can be hurtful to a guy or gal.
shadow_fire
Member
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay
Read that article.
And if you ask ANY gay person they will confirm they did not choose to be gay.
Why would someone choose to be born into discrimination? its sad, I've fought many personal demons struggling out of the closet, then someone to say to me that I chose to be gay is just a slap to the face.
Read that article.
And if you ask ANY gay person they will confirm they did not choose to be gay.
Why would someone choose to be born into discrimination? its sad, I've fought many personal demons struggling out of the closet, then someone to say to me that I chose to be gay is just a slap to the face.
athanasius
Well-Known Member
What color are your eyes? I think you might have missed my question.
green
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
:rainbow1:
I stopped there because I don't think the answer would impress you. That, and as I said "hurt" is subjective in that is fully dependant upon a person's morals/ethical system.