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Is Bible Prophesy realible?

Is Bible Prophesy really reliable?

  • yes, Bible Prophesy is reliable

    Votes: 20 39.2%
  • no, Bible Prophesy is not reliable

    Votes: 30 58.8%
  • don't know

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Total voters
    51

d.n.irvin

Active Member
Bible prophecies are reliable: man's interpretation of them are not. Most try to use their interpretation to twist scriptures in order to push an agenda like unBiblical beliefs about the Sabbath.

The thing I don't get about you is - and Ill say this with the chance of being misunderstood - Your always accusing - always? and haven't been right once, You know if you came at me with - Oh I don't know, a good ol fashion "thus sayeth the Lord" maybe -or backed up your comments with lets say - texts of scripture from the Old and New Testament -Your posts could be taken more seriously if nothing else, -as of the last post that I have seen, you still haven't studied Daniel and Revelation. But keep making post like your knowledgeable on the subject. Its nice to voice your opinions but lets leave it at that - lets not pass off personal opinions as facts, please.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
lets not pass off personal opinions as facts, please.
Watch it! You almost hit me with that beam coming out of your eye. BTW, did I even mention you in what I wrote? No, not really! In the few discussions we have, you have completely ignored the scriptures I used. I find that all you have brought is conjecture about what YOU THINK these prophecies mean, and you pass them off as the Gospel truth.

So, let me reword my answer: Biblical prophesies are reliable: YOU are not. This is a true statement and deserving of full acceptance.
 

d.n.irvin

Active Member
Watch it! You almost hit me with that beam coming out of your eye. In the few discussions we have, you have completely ignored the scriptures I used.
Why do you keep saying that, Why do you think that you can't be wrong?-The way you present text of scripture is out of harmony with "ALL THINGS CONSIDERED"
I find that all you have brought is conjecture about what YOU THINK these prophecies mean, and you pass them off as the Gospel truth.
People this i called- whatever I'm doing - I'll say your the really doing it.
Biblical prophesies are reliable: YOU are not. That's my answer to this query of yours and it is a sound statement.
FIND ONE OF MY OWN WORDS IN ANY OF THE POSTS THAT I HAVE MADE - AND I WILL RECANT THEM ALL -EVERYTHING CAME OUT OF THE BIBLE
PROVE ME WRONG-
You just need to admit that your overall "Biblical knowledge" is not that great. And you "Bible Prophecy knowledge" is even worse. Not to mention your application of Scripture.

"An empty wagon makes a lot of noise"

 

d.n.irvin

Active Member
It's getting tiring always ducking that beam!

Well, just study some more then come back. I can give you 10 more post of what the Bible says: not me - about the Sabbath, Bible Prophecy as it relates to end-time events, and many more points of controversy, but it will do no good unless you study for yourself.
You have to have a love of truth no matter what the consequences are. I'll leave you with this though -Revelations says that people have been "made drunk with the wine of the wrath of her fornications" Rev.18:3 - one application of this text means that -people will have a hard time accepting the True Seventh Day Sabbath of the Bible -simply because they have never kept one Seventh Day Sabbath Holy.
So if you can try and kept the Sabbath -sundown Friday to sundown Saturday -And just ask earnestly of God if it His will or not -and If you earnestly pray and ask God this -during the Sabbath hours - I think you will be pleasantly surprised -The Jesus I know won't let you down.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it."Genesis 1:1; 2:2, 3 .
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
The Bible says "keep the sabbath holy". The Christian Church early on decided the proper day for the sabbath was Sunday in honor of Easter Sunday. Islam moved it back to the original Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Baha`i's have a different calendar established by the Bab and clarified by Baha`u'llah. We have no weekly sabbath at all. Instead we commemorate the first day of each of the nineteen months--sunset to sunset.

We all keep the "sabbath holy" as best we must.

Regards,
Scott
 

may

Well-Known Member
you READ the Bible, right?

Therefore you interpret the Bible.

Regards,

Scott
DANIEL 12;4
"And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.".................................... Now is the time of the end and true knowledge is very abundant . and roving around the bible has led to great blessings in understanding for those who are given insight
(Proverbs 4:18) But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.

(Daniel 12:9) And he went on to say: "Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end.
(2 Peter 1:19) Consequently we have the prophetic word [made] more sure; and YOU are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in YOUR hearts.
 

may

Well-Known Member
Well, I believe the "End of Times" is a metaphor, and we've lived through it already, we are still shaking out the repercussions.

The Prince of Peace was not Jesus, but Baha`u'llah and the Kingdom of God is descended on Mount Carmel (some assembly required).

Regards,
Scott
the START of the last days was 1914 , this time that we are living in right now ,is the last days of man ruling himself independant of God . 1914 was the start of the last days . 1914 is a very significant date inline with bible prophecy and chronology . and Daniel 7;13-14 was when Jesus was given the kingship and great aurthority . and since that time bible prophecy has been moving along in this time of the end . and Jesus is the prince of peace as ISAIAH 9;6-7 tells us .
For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, PRINCE OF PEACE
(Or, "Peaceable Prince," that is, a prince giving peace.)
7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.
(John 14:27) I leave YOU peace, I give YOU my peace. I do not give it to YOU the way that the world gives it. Do not let YOUR hearts be troubled nor let them shrink for fear.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Fifteen pages, and I still find no prophesy that's allowing only one unambiguous interpretation and written before the event prophesied.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Fifteen pages, and I still find no prophesy that's allowing only one unambiguous interpretation and written before the event prophesied.

Here's a prophecy from the Baha`i writings (Kitab'i Aqdas, 1868CE). Short term forty-six years before the fact and not one prediction but two (second prediction 77 years 1945CE).

"O banks of the Rhine! We have seen you covered with gore, inasmuch as the swords of retribution were drawn against you; and you shall have another turn. And We hear the lamentations of Berlin, though she be today in conspicuous glory."
(Baha'u'llah, Synopsis and Codification of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 21)

Pretty simple and direct . . . . .

Regards,
Scott
 

d.n.irvin

Active Member
I recently have been personally attacked, accused of heresy - for lack of a better word, I have been accused of slandering the Bible and Catholics -as well as spreading bigotry and hate,-for the posts I have made in regards to the Sabbath. If Christians are not now persecuted in the U.S. -the climate of this Forum tells me that we are in the "Pre-season" of persecution if nothing else.
So, in an effort to set the record straight, I've gathered a few of the post I've made concerning the said topic. For the review of the Forum at large -to see if this is truly the case. Now the question is, Have I personally made up, forged, misrepresented, left out references, or falsified any of these posts? Or is it information on the subject at hand.


What God says about the change of the Seventh Day [Saturday] Sabbath in "Bible Prophecy"

Explanation of the Year/Day Principle .................Post #76
1260 Day Prophecy - Identified ............... .............Post #77
1260 Day Prophecy -Historical Accuracy Investigated......Post #78
1260 Day Prophecy - Reliability Confirmed..................... Post #79


What Catholics say about the First Day [Sunday] Sabbath -which is foretold in "Bible Prophecy"
Pieces from Rome's Challenge (Part 1) ....................... Post #104
Catholic Quotes.......................................................Post #300
More Quotes .................................................. ..........Post #239

Proof Early Christians Kept the Seventh Day Sabbath
2nd Century.................. Post #34
5th Century......................Post #39
10thCentury........................Post #40


What God says about Satan's Deceptions............ Post #57



"The first precept in the Bible is that of sanctifying the seventh day: 'God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it.' Genesis 2:3.
This precept was confirmed by God in the Ten Commandments: 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep It holy. ...The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.' Exodus 20: 8, 10.
On the other hand, Christ declares that He is not come to destroy the law, but to fulfil it. (Matthew 5: 17.) He Himself observed the Sabbath: 'And, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day.' Luke 4: r6. His disciples likewise observed it after His death: 'They . . . rested the Sabbath day, according to the commandment.' Luke 23: 56.
Yet with all this weight of Scripture authority for keeping the Sabbath or seventh day holy, Protestants of all denominations make this a profane day and transfer the obligation of it to the first day of the week, or the Sunday.
Now what authority have they for doing this?
None at all but the unwritten word, or tradition of the Catholic Church, which declares that the apostle made the change in honour of Christ's resurrection, and the descent of the Holy Ghost on that day of the week." -JOHN MILNER, "The End of Religious Controversy," page 71."Sabbath means, of course, Saturday, the seventh day
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
I recently have been personally attacked, accused of heresy - for lack of a better word, I have been accused of slandering the Bible and Catholics -as well as spreading bigotry and hate,-for the posts I have made in regards to the Sabbath. If Christians are not now persecuted in the U.S. -the climate of this Forum tells me that we are in the "Pre-season" of persecution if nothing else.
So, in an effort to set the record straight, I've gathered a few of the post I've made concerning the said topic. For the review of the Forum at large -to see if this is truly the case. Now the question is, Have I personally made up, forged, misrepresented, left out references, or falsified any of these posts? Or is it information on the subject at hand.


What God says about the change of the Seventh Day [Saturday] Sabbath in "Bible Prophecy"

Explanation of the Year/Day Principle .................Post #76
1260 Day Prophecy - Identified ............... .............Post #77
1260 Day Prophecy -Historical Accuracy Investigated......Post #78
1260 Day Prophecy - Reliability Confirmed..................... Post #79


What Catholics say about the First Day [Sunday] Sabbath -which is foretold in "Bible Prophecy"
Pieces from Rome's Challenge (Part 1) ....................... Post #104
Catholic Quotes.......................................................Post #300
More Quotes .................................................. ..........Post #239

Proof Early Christians Kept the Seventh Day Sabbath
2nd Century.................. Post #34
5th Century......................Post #39
10thCentury........................Post #40


What God says about Satan's Deceptions............ Post #57

What your point, non-Christian have had the same thing happen to them on this site and other places, does that mean we're persecuted too. Pllus not every one on here is from the US.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
What your point, non-Christian have had the same thing happen to them on this site and other places, does that mean we're persecuted too. Pllus not every one on here is from the US.


I would like our adventist friend to read this and THEN talk to me about persecution:

IRANIAN GOVERNMENT CAMPAIGN AGAINST BAHA'IS SHOWS NEW FACETS

NEW YORK, 21 September 2007 (BWNS) -- The bulldozing of a Baha'i
cemetery in Iran last week is the latest in a series of incidents in a
government-led campaign of hatred against Baha'is.

The destruction of the cemetery by individuals using heavy equipment
occurred between 9 September and 10 September near Najafabad, on the
outskirts of Isfahan. What happened there is nearly identical to what
happened in July in Yazd, where another Baha'i cemetery was extensively
damaged by earth-moving equipment.

The list of anti-Baha'i incidents is growing, as are human rights
violations against other groups in Iran.

In Najafabad, a few days before the destruction of more than 100 Baha'i
graves, threatening letters were delivered to some 30 Baha'i families.
In May, in Mazandaran province, the unoccupied homes of six Iranian
Baha'is were set on fire. In June, in Abadeh, vandals wrote hateful
graffiti on Baha'i houses and shops.

Since May, Baha'is in at least 17 towns have been detained for
interrogation. Six new arrests have been reported. In Kermanshah, a 70-year-old
man was sentenced to 70 lashes and a year in prison for "propagating
and spreading Bahaism and the defamation of the pure Imams." In
Mazandaran, a court has once again ruled against three women and a man who are
charged with "propagation on behalf of an organization which is
anti-Islamic."

All these events are results of the Iranian government's long campaign
to incite hatred against Baha'is, a spokeswoman for the Baha'i
International Community said today.

"This should be a cause for concern among human rights activists
everywhere," said Diane Ala'i, the representative of the Baha'i International
Community to the United Nations in Geneva.

She appealed to the world to hold the Iranian government accountable
for its actions and to help prevent the situation from deteriorating into
further violence. Baha'is in Iran number about 300,000 and represent
the largest religious minority in the country.

"Put in a historical context, these kinds of attacks too often have
been a prelude to campaigns of oppression and violence that are far worse.

"While some of these incidents may seem to be minor, the fact that such
events are increasingly commonplace and reported as occurring in
virtually every region of Iran shows that the persecution of Baha'is remains
official government policy, and therefore is something for which Iran
must be held accountable," she said.

"The graffiti in Abadeh included slogans such as 'Death to Baha'is, the
mercenaries of America and England,' 'Hezbollah despises the Baha'is,'
'Baha'is - mercenaries of Israel' and 'Baha'is are unclean' - phrases
that relate directly to government propaganda that has been
disseminated in Iranian news media in recent years," Ms. Ala'i said.

She noted that other groups in Iran are also suffering human-rights
violations.

"In recent months, the Iranian authorities have been carrying out a
widespread crackdown on civil society, targeting academics, women's rights
activists, students, and journalists," said Ms. Ala'i.

[For more details go to http://www.news.bahai.org]


To view the photos and additional features click here:
http://news.bahai.org
 

rojse

RF Addict
If we want to discuss reliable bible prophecy, why can't we see a prediction relevant to us here today, where there could not be a debate about whether the prediction occured before or after the event itself? What about a prediction of September 11? Man landing on the moon? England's discovery of America? The Iron Curtain falling?

And, since God is supposedly omniscient, how about a prediction that includes precise dates and details?
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
If we want to discuss reliable bible prophecy, why can't we see a prediction relevant to us here today, where there could not be a debate about whether the prediction occured before or after the event itself? What about a prediction of September 11? Man landing on the moon? England's discovery of America? The Iron Curtain falling?

And, since God is supposedly omniscient, how about a prediction that includes precise dates and details?

Nostradamus did, people just didn't see it till later ^_^. What I have it....... Nostradamus is God.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
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d.n.irvin

Active Member
If we want to discuss reliable bible prophecy, why can't we see a prediction relevant to us here today, where there could not be a debate about whether the prediction occured before or after the event itself? What about a prediction of September 11? Man landing on the moon? England's discovery of America? The Iron Curtain falling?

And, since God is supposedly omniscient, how about a prediction that includes precise dates and details?

Here is one, Just one of many Prophecies relevant to todays Christian's
 

d.n.irvin

Active Member
What your point, non-Christian have had the same thing happen to them on this site and other places, does that mean we're persecuted too. Pllus not every one on here is from the US.

Well, my intentions were to have someone review to post to see whether or not it was slanderous -really. And the comment about being 'Persecuted" was directed at a post in the "Are Christians persecuted in the U.S ?" thread.
 
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