Is Bible Prophesy realible?

[d.n.irvin]

Bible Prophecy is not just written in the book, it is interpreted in the head. The Prophecy may be reliable in the book and unreliable in the head.

Please give me your scriptural foundation for this statement.

Regards,
Scott

Is there a test by which we can measure the competency of Bible Prophecy? What does the Bible say?

 

[Popeyesays]

Is there a test by which we can measure the competency of Bible Prophecy? What does the Bible say?

One must be willing to deal in metaphor or run the same risk the sanhedrin succumbed to when they looked to prophesy to deny Jesus rather than accept a Messiah.

For instance, I believe the prophesy of the bible to be fulfilled already. In my own mind the question is settled.

Regards,
Scott

 

[d.n.irvin]

One must be willing to deal in metaphor or run the same risk the sanhedrin succumbed to when they looked to prophesy to deny Jesus rather than accept a Messiah.

For instance, I believe the prophesy of the bible to be fulfilled already. In my own mind the question is settled.

Regards,
Scott

I appreciate your honesty. It is true that a lot of Bible Prophecy has been fulfilled, but scripture tells us "trust not unto thine own understanding" -we are to believe what Bible Prophecy has to say, and its not finished talking yet.

 

[Popeyesays]

Well, I believe the "End of Times" is a metaphor, and we've lived through it already, we are still shaking out the repercussions.

The Prince of Peace was not Jesus, but Baha`u'llah and the Kingdom of God is descended on Mount Carmel (some assembly required).

Regards,
Scott

 

[d.n.irvin]

Well, I believe the "End of Times" is a metaphor, and we've lived through it already, we are still shaking out the repercussions.

The Prince of Peace was not Jesus, but Baha`u'llah and the Kingdom of God is descended on Mount Carmel (some assembly required).

Regards,
Scott

Brother Scott I'm not sure how much we can talk about - I say that with hesitation because at this point you have only given your "own personal beliefs" on the subject of Bible Prophecy - with out anything to substantiate why you believe the way you do. I can't figure out if you believe the Bible or Not ?
You see, if you want me to give you what I believe -it will all come from the Bible-

Though I am interested in how your faith views the Bible as the Word of God.

 

[Popeyesays]

Brother Scott I'm not sure how much we can talk about - I say that with hesitation because at this point you have only given your "own personal beliefs" on the subject of Bible Prophecy - with out anything to substantiate why you believe the way you do. I can't figure out if you believe the Bible or Not ?
You see, if you want me to give you what I believe -it will all come from the Bible-

Though I am interested in how your faith views the Bible as the Word of God.

"Before 'Abdu'l-Bahá left the Church, he wrote in the old Bible used by generations of preachers, the following words in his own native Persian, the translation being added as follows: 18
Inscription in the Old Bible
Written by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in Persian
THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God."
'Abdu'l-Bahá Abbas. 19
(Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 17)

Though he also explains that "literalism" is contrary to understanding the Bible:
"The obstacle which prevents the so-called religious man from accepting the teachings of God is literal interpretation. Moses announced the coming of Christ. The Israelites were awaiting him with the greatest impatience and anxiety, but when he came they called him Beelzebub. "The conditions laid down in the Bible for the coming of the expected one were not fulfilled," they said. They did not understand that the conditions were symbolic."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 35)

Regards,

Scott

 

[may]

Bible Prophecy is not just written in the book, it is interpreted in the head. The Prophecy may be reliable in the book and unreliable in the head.

Regards,
Scott

Do not interpretations belong to God?" (Genesis 40:8)

 

[Popeyesays]

Do not interpretations belong to God?" (Genesis 40:8)

you READ the Bible, right?

Therefore you interpret the Bible.

Regards,

Scott

 

[d.n.irvin]

you READ the Bible, right?

Therefore you interpret the Bible.

Regards,

Scott

By this statement what are you suggesting?

 

[Popeyesays]

By this statement what are you suggesting?

That May is talking through her hat when she says we should leave the interpretation up to God. When we read we automatically interpret what we read or there is no point to reading at all.

Regards,
Scott

 

[d.n.irvin]

That May is talking through her hat when she says we should leave the interpretation up to God. When we read we automatically interpret what we read or there is no point to reading at all.

Regards,
Scott

I see. Well, what if your reading God's interpretation -that is letting the "Bible"[the Word of God] interpret itself? Like using the Bible itself -to unlock "Prophecy."
Don't know if that is what she meant- But its how I look at it.

Happy Sabbath to you!

 

[Popeyesays]

Your assumption is that you are letting God interpret His Own words. That's an assumption not a fact.

Regards,
Scott

 

[w00t]

People have been claiming that they are living in the last days for 2000 years, even Jesus seemed to think he would appear again in the lifetime of his disciples! We are still here, and likely to be so for another 2000 years, I suspect!

 

[Popeyesays]

People have been claiming that they are living in the last days for 2000 years, even Jesus seemed to think he would appear again in the lifetime of his disciples! We are still here, and likely to be so for another 2000 years, I suspect!

Yup! Indeed St. john makes that very note in the Revelation being discussed: "The antichrist is with us always."

Again "End Days" is symbolic not literal.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Scuba Pete]

Is Bible Prophesy realible? Are we really living in the Last Days?

Bible prophecies are reliable: man's interpretation of them are not. Most try to use their interpretation to twist scriptures in order to push an agenda like unBiblical beliefs about the Sabbath.

 

[d.n.irvin]

Your assumption is that you are letting God interpret His Own words. That's an assumption not a fact.

Regards,
Scott

An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, in other words, that is treated for the sake of a given discussion as if it were known to be true.

Now for the sake of this discussion, Let us assume that the "Bible" is the Word of God -And that Bible is "reliable" -that is we can prove the things therein, OK.
That being said , Why would "Bible Prophecy" be any different?

"And now I have told you before it [is] come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe." John 14:29

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24:25-27

"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Amos 3:7

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21

"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:" 2 Peter 1:19

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hearand keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." the words of this prophecy, Revelation 1:1-3

If we assume for this discussion the Bible is true, How then do we prove these Scriptures? Are these texts literal or symbolic? or are they just metaphors or even flat out lies? How can we be sure they are true?

 

[w00t]

If God really had something to say why speak in riddles?

 

[d.n.irvin]

People have been claiming that they are living in the last days for 2000 years,

I agree, but what does that have to do with Bible Prophecy?

even Jesus seemed to think he would appear again in the lifetime of his disciples!

Based on your understanding that is

We are still here, and likely to be so for another 2000 years, I suspect!

Not according into Bible Prophecy

Have you ever studied Daniel and Revelation? If so, give me your analysis of the "little horn" of Daniel 7 as compared to the Antichrist of Revelation 13.

 

[d.n.irvin]

Yup! Indeed St. john makes that very note in the Revelation being discussed: "The antichrist is with us always."

Again "End Days" is symbolic not literal.

Regards,
Scott

Please give scripture references to substantiate these claims.

 

[w00t]

I don't think so called Biblical prophesy actually exists, it is in the mind of those trying to make sense of the imagery in that book, imo.