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Is Bible Prophesy realible?

Is Bible Prophesy really reliable?

  • yes, Bible Prophesy is reliable

    Votes: 20 39.2%
  • no, Bible Prophesy is not reliable

    Votes: 30 58.8%
  • don't know

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Total voters
    51

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member

So Why doesn't anyone want to talk about or comment on the correctness of this Bible prophecy?


How come you never addressed this...
Ezekiel chapt.26 predicted that the city of Tyre would be destroyed by Babylon during the reign of Nebuchadrez'zer.

Didn't happen. In fact, Tyre's still there today.


... and sidestepped it when anders brought it up?
 

d.n.irvin

Active Member
Pieces From Rome's Challenge, Four Editorials From The Catholic Mirror
  • "In the old testament, reference is made 126 times to The Sabbath, and all these text conspire harmoniously in voicing the will of God commanded the Seventh Day to be kept, because god Himself first kept it, making it obligatory on ALL as 'a perpetual covenant.' Nor can we imagine any one foolhardly enough to question the identity of Saturday with the Sabbath or Seveth Day, seeing that the people of Iserael have been keeping the Saturday from the giving of the Law, A.M. 2514 to A.D. 1893, a period of 3383 years..." [ 1: note the calendar units are different from today's standard; 2: in 1992, it is 3,482 years]
  • "Exmaining the new testament from cover to cover, critically, we find the Sabbath referred to 61 times. We find, too, that the Savior invariably selected the Sabbath (Saturday) to teach in the synagogues and work miracles. The 4 Gospels refer to the Sabbath (Saturday) 51 times.."
  • "...the Redeemer refers to Himself as 'The Lord of the Sabbath'..." He never once hinted at a desire to change it... thus the Sabbath (Saturday) from Genesis to Revelation.
  • "Hence the conclusion is inevitable... that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Iseralites and Severth-Day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant Has Not A Word In Self-Defense For His Substitution Of Sunday For Saturday..."
  • "...Whilst the pharisees of old kept the True Sabbath, our modern pharisees HAVE NEVER ONCE IN THEIR LIVES KEPT THE TRUE SABBATH which their divine master kept to his dying day, and which his apostles kept, after his example, for 30 years afterward, according to sacred record.."
  • "The Bible and the Sabbath constitue the watchword of Protestantism; But We Have Demonstrated That It Is The Bible Against Their Sabbath... We Have Shown That No Greater Contradition Ever Existed That Their Theory Than Their Theory And Practice! We have proved that neither their Biblical ancestors nor themselves have ever kept One Sabbath Day in their lives..."
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member

I usually try not to comment on bogus information.


So which part are you calling bogus; Ezechiel, history, or geography?
Because they all substantiate what I'm saying here.


BTW: why side step the 1260 day prophecy?

Oh I see, the "nuh-uh you are" defense. Well in that case I'm going to go with the "I asked you first" retort (because I did).
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Regarding 1260: Anybody with a bit of patience can prove anything using numerology. Have a look at the wonders of the Qur'an.

So, could you finally please come up with one example of a concrete prohesy turned right? And how do you explain the obvious error on Tyre?
 

d.n.irvin

Active Member
Regarding 1260: Anybody with a bit of patience can prove anything using numerology. Have a look at the wonders of the Qur'an.

So, could you finally please come up with one example of a concrete prohesy turned right?

The 1260 day prophecy - accurately predicts that the papacy would change the "Lords day" of worship to unholy Sunday - Almost all Protestants go to church on Sunday - The papacy confirms it.

and guess what?..... you still don't believe it! You are living in Bible Prophecy- swimming in it -and don't see it!

BTW: 1260 day prophecy is just one of many end time prophecies
And how do you explain the obvious error on Tyre?

What obvious error? Your information is bogus. Why do you put so much energy believing lies? Did you believe in Santa Clause as a child?
 

logician

Well-Known Member
What exactly is "the end". If it's the end of mankind, the rest of life on the world might be better off, as we are bringing about the extinction of species on a scale like the end of the Cretacious extinction.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
anders said:
And how do you explain the obvious error on Tyre?


What obvious error? Your information is bogus. Why do you put so much energy believing lies?

The obvious Bible error is that it was prophecied that Tyre would be destroyed, never to be rebuilt. It was not destroyed, and is still there. Can it be more obvious? What is "bogus" about that? What is the "lie" you claim?
 

d.n.irvin

Active Member
Protestant Beliefs Most reformers spoke of the papacy as antichrist. The papacy has since that time, received it's deadly wound by France in 1798 (Rev. 13:5,10) and is again becoming popular and powerful just as the prophecies predicted! (Rev. 13:3)

Quote:
Martin Luther (1483-1546) [founder of the Lutheran Church]
“nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist….For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny.” Martin Luther, First Principles, pp. 196-197
Quote:
John Calvin (1509-1564) [founder of the Presbyterian Church]
“I deny him to be the vicar of Christ, who, in furiously persecuting the gospel, demonstrates by his conduct that he is Antichrist--I deny him to be the successor of Peter..I deny him to be the head of the church.” “Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt…I shall briefly show that (Pauls words in 2 Thessalonians 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy” John Calvin, Tracts, Vol. 1, pp. 219,220. John Calvin, Institutes.
Quote:
John Wesley (1703-1791) [founder of the Methodist Church]
“He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers… He it is…that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped… claiming the highest power, and highest honor… claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone.” Albert Close, Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms, London: Thynne and Co., 1917, p. 110.
 

may

Well-Known Member
**Who will speak against the Most High, and oppress the saints?
**Who will try to 'change times and laws'?
**What is 'time, time and half a time'?
Readers of the book of Daniel are sure to have questions. For instance, what do the four beasts of Daniel chapter 7 represent? What is the explanation of the prophetic "seventy weeks" of Daniel 9:24-27? How about Daniel chapter 11 and the prophetic conflict of "the king of the north" and "the king of the south"? What can we expect of these kings in the time of the end?​
Jehovah has granted insight into such matters to his anointed servants on earth, to "the holy ones of the Supreme One," as they are called at Daniel 7:18. Moreover, "the faithful and discreet slave" has made provision for us to gain further insight into the inspired writings of the prophet Daniel. (Matthew 24:45) This is now available through the recent release of the book Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy! This beautifully illustrated 320-page publication covers every part of the book of Daniel. It deals with each faith-building prophecy and every narrative recorded by the beloved prophet Daniel...................... thrilling times indeed that we are living in . if you go to the right channel you will have understanding indeed. then you will know .
 

may

Well-Known Member
Ezekiel chapt.26 predicted that the city of Tyre would be destroyed by Babylon during the reign of Nebuchadrez'zer.

Didn't happen. In fact, Tyre's still there today.

The
Fate of Tyre


Ezekiel recorded a striking prophecy about the destruction of Israel’s northern neighbor Tyre, which had gone from a position of friendship with God’s people to one of enmity. (1 Kings 5:1-9; Psalm 83:2-8) He wrote: "This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up against you many nations, just as the sea brings up its waves. And they will certainly bring the walls of Tyre to ruin and tear down her towers, and I will scrape her dust away from her and make her a shining, bare surface of a crag. . . . And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water.’"—Ezekiel 26:3, 4, 12.
Did this really happen? Well, a few years after Ezekiel uttered the prophecy, the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, laid siege to Tyre. (Ezekiel 29:17, 18) It was not, however, an easy siege. Tyre was partially situated on the mainland (the part called Old Tyre). But part of the city was on an island about half a mile [800 m] offshore. Nebuchadnezzar besieged the island for 13 years before it finally submitted to him.
It was, however, in 332 B.C.E. that Ezekiel’s prophecy was finally fulfilled in all its details. At that time, Alexander the Great, the conqueror from Macedonia, was invading Asia. Tyre, secure on its island location, held out against him. Alexander did not want to leave a potential enemy at his rear, but he did not want to spend years in a siege of Tyre, as Nebuchadnezzar had done.
How did he solve this military problem? He built a land bridge, or mole, across to the island, so that his soldiers could march across and attack the island city. Notice, though, what he used to build the mole. The Encyclopedia Americana reports: "With the debris of the mainland portion of the city, which he had demolished, he built a huge mole in 332 to join the island to the mainland." After a relatively short siege, the island city was destroyed. Moreover, Ezekiel’s prophecy was fulfilled in all its details. Even the ‘stones and woodwork and dust’ of Old Tyre were ‘placed in the very midst of the water.’
A 19th-century traveler commented on what was left of ancient Tyre in his day, saying: "Of the original Tyre known to Solomon and the prophets of Israel, not a vestige remains except in its rock-cut sepulchres on the mountain sides, and in foundation walls . . . Even the island, which Alexander the Great, in his siege of the city, converted into a cape by filling up the water between it and the mainland, contains no distinguishable relics of an earlier period than that of the Crusades. The modern town, all of which is comparatively new, occupies the northern half of what was once the island, while nearly all the remainder of the surface is covered with undistinguishable ruins

 

may

Well-Known Member
What exactly is "the end". .
the end of manmade goverments. Daniel 2;44 the start of the last days was 1914 so we are now well along into the last days , manmade rulers have had their day , soon those who refuse to put their trust in Gods kingdom and his reigning king Jesus christ will be put out of the way , then Gods kingdom will be the only goverment around . people are being put on notice about this kingdom , it is being made known on a global scale, it is for a witness matthew 24;14 those who respond to the goodnews of the kingdom are being gathered into a great crowd from all nations revelation 7;9-10 and these ones will get through the great tribulation .
 

may

Well-Known Member
Babylon’s
Turn

Back in the eighth century B.C.E., Isaiah, the prophet who warned the Jews of their coming subjugation by Babylon, also foretold something astounding: the total annihilation of Babylon itself. He foretold this in graphic detail: "Here I am arousing against them the Medes . . . And Babylon, the decoration of kingdoms, the beauty of the pride of the Chaldeans, must become as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited, nor will she reside for generation after generation."—Isaiah 13:17-20.


The prophet Jeremiah also foretold the fall of Babylon, which would take place many years later. And he included an interesting detail: "There is a devastation upon her waters, and they must be dried up. . . . The mighty men of Babylon have ceased to fight. They have kept sitting in the strong places. Their mightiness has run dry."—Jeremiah 50:38; 51:30.


In 539 B.C.E., the time of Babylon’s rule as the preeminent world power came to an end when the vigorous Persian ruler Cyrus, accompanied by the army of Media, marched against the city. What Cyrus found, however, was formidable. Babylon was surrounded by huge walls and seemed impregnable. The great river Euphrates, too, ran through the city and made an important contribution to its defenses.


The Greek historian Herodotus describes how Cyrus handled the problem: "He placed a portion of his army at the point where the river enters the city, and another body at the back of the place where it issues forth, with orders to march into the town by the bed of the stream, as soon as the water became shallow enough . . . He turned the Euphrates by a canal into the basin [an artificial lake dug by a previous ruler of Babylon], which was then a marsh, on which the river sank to such an extent that the natural bed of the stream became fordable. Hereupon the Persians who had been left for the purpose at Babylon by the river-side, entered the stream, which had now sunk so as to reach about midway up a man’s thigh, and thus got into the town."


In this way the city fell, as Jeremiah and Isaiah had warned. But notice the detailed fulfillment of prophecy. There was literally ‘a devastation upon her waters, and they were dried up.’ It was the lowering of the waters of the Euphrates that enabled Cyrus to gain access to the city. Did ‘the mighty men of Babylon cease to fight,’ as Jeremiah had warned? The Bible—as well as the Greek historians Herodotus and Xenophon—records that the Babylonians were actually feasting when the Persian assault occurred. The Nabonidus Chronicle, an official cuneiform inscription, says that Cyrus’ troops entered Babylon "without battle," likely meaning without a major pitched battle.6 Evidently, Babylon’s mighty men did not do much to protect her.

What about the forecast that Babylon would "never be inhabited" again? That was not fulfilled immediately in 539 B.C.E. But unerringly the prophecy came true. After her fall, Babylon was the center of a number of rebellions, until 478 B.C.E. when she was destroyed by Xerxes. At the end of the fourth century, Alexander the Great planned to restore her, but he died before the work had progressed very far. From then on, the city just declined. There were still people living there in the first century of our Common Era, but today all that is left of ancient Babylon is a heap of ruins in Iraq. Even if her ruins should be partially restored, Babylon would be just a tourist showpiece, not a living, vibrant city. Her desolate site bears witness to the final fulfillment of the inspired prophecies against her.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Bible Prophecy is not just written in the book, it is interpreted in the head. The Prophecy may be reliable in the book and unreliable in the head.

Regards,
Scott
 
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