Is Donald Trump a racist?

[Terrywoodenpic]

He is as Racist as he thinks he can get away with.
But deep down it is solid.

 

[suncowiam]

He is sexist but not racist despite the overwhelming evidence...right

The evidence you posted was circumstantial. The witness had political motives to paint Trump as a racist at the time. If more actual incidents were reported and actual voice tape of him acting racist, then yes, I would agree.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Underlined the key words for you, and made them red.

Nearly everyone south of 1960's would be perceived as a racist by modern convention. And, your point was?

This is like saying because my grandfather was racist (and he was, by modern definition), so was my dad, and so am I. It's so utterly absurd it's barely worth addressing other than to have a laugh at your expense, which I assure you am doing right now.

That is what I said: trumpie was raised by KKK people.

Notebook: there were a lot of KKK among the white elites in trumpie's parent's generation.

 

[Phantasman]

The way words like racist are thrown around, you could apply it to many prominent figures

See my above proofs

Identifying someone using race is racism? If you want me to see black over white, you say black. Is that racism in your mind? What does the term Black Lives Matter mean? See Black. It's a division in root.

Russian collusion. Is that racist? Did all Russians collude? Some did. Probably a very very small amount. Yet do you think globally? All Russians can't be trusted. All blacks should matter. What about the ones that killed the policemen in NY. Should he matter?

This is the type thinking that has divided this country. You can't disagree with Obama because it makes you racist. If you don't like what a female says, you're sexist. We are flooded with "illegal" people from Mexico. To try to enforce the law is racist? To even have such a law is racist.

If I am against the "Mexican" drug cartel, am I racist because they're Mexican? If I try to stop poor Mexicans illegally entering the country, am I racist?

The division exists. The words are confusing the issues. They are reckless. Being used as tools. Taking small allusions and making a person see a global belief. Republicans are racist. The Tea Party is racist. Whites are supremacists.

People use race to make a point. BLM does it as much as anyone. But others are racist and they aren't? To call out people who use their race as a tool of division is what I see. I don't see Trump attacking people because they are "not white". I see him expressing the culprit of the division. African American. Mexican American. They're divisive. I see you become American when you drop the former division. But many are attempting to use the former to identify the latter. I don't want the country to be Mexican or African. The melting pot melts. And people fight the very heat that causes this assimilation.

The actions speak louder than words. And I see no actions Trump has made that have resulted in any race being seen as non accepted or hated by him. And his more than generous proposal for this country to adopt 1.8 million DACA children is much more anti-racist than the Democrats are willing to admit, of accept.

I plainly see the racist word, as well as it's misuse.

 

[Phantasman]

Most Americans say Trump is racist, poll finds

Nearly half of white Americans think Trump is racist

Opinion | Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List

"Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government."

"Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

"In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them."

"In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”

"He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”

"In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time."

"Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage."

"He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such."

"He called Puerto Ricans who criticized his administration’s response to Hurricane Maria “politically motivated ingrates.”

"He called some of those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., last August “very fine people.”

"Trump hired Steve Bannon as his campaign head and later White House chief strategist. Under Bannon’s leadership, the website Breitbart madewhite nationalism a central theme. It featured a section, for example, on “black crime.”

There is too much proof..

When I see this: "according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said"

I see nothing but gossip.

 

[Phantasman]

I was directly responding to your suggestion that he has hatred for people who lack common sense. Hatred for his own countrymen (since surely you don't think all Americans have common sense - whatever that means) is not a good trait in a leader.

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Donald Trump was raised by Robert Byrd? Who knew!

That would make Hillary his sister !!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Underlined the key words for you, and made them red.

Nearly everyone south of 1960's would be perceived as a racist by modern convention. And, your point was?

This is like saying because my grandfather was racist (and he was, by modern definition), so was my dad, and so am I. It's so utterly absurd it's barely worth addressing other than to have a laugh at your expense, which I assure you am doing right now.

Gotta agree with this. My dads racist. I don't consider myself so.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Always felt that was glib. Still do. But I guess we aren't going to agree on this, so...

*Tips hat and wanders off*

 

[Phantasman]

Always felt that was glib. Still do. But I guess we aren't going to agree on this, so...

*Tips hat and wanders off*

Still a friend.

*smiles and picks up the tab this time*

 

[Shaul]

right!

So you all think Trump is an antisemite, or at least has them in his administration, and think I am in denial about it. Yet Trump is hugely popular in Israel and among Zionist. For example, he just receive an award from one of the biggest Zionist organizations. Trump honored with Friends of Zion Museum award in White House ceremony I think they know better what an antisemite is than you all. There is some denial going on here, but it isn’t by me. Here’s a clue, go look in the mirror.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you all think Trump is an antisemite, or at least has them in his administration, and think I am in denial about it. Yet Trump is hugely popular in Israel and among Zionist. For example, he just receive an award from one of the biggest Zionist organizations. Trump honored with Friends of Zion Museum award in White House ceremony I think they know better what an antisemite is than you all. There is some denial going on here, but it isn’t by me. Here’s a clue, go look in the mirror.

Don't let contrary evidence stand in the way of labeling.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The evidence you posted was circumstantial. The witness had political motives to paint Trump as a racist at the time. If more actual incidents were reported and actual voice tape of him acting racist, then yes, I would agree.

How is the evidence circumstantial?

He made comments about Mexicans...

He made comments about black people....

He made comments about Muslims...

All are documented and public what is circumstantial about that?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The way words like racist are thrown around, you could apply it to many prominent figures

Identifying someone using race is racism? If you want me to see black over white, you say black. Is that racism in your mind? What does the term Black Lives Matter mean? See Black. It's a division in root.

Russian collusion. Is that racist? Did all Russians collude? Some did. Probably a very very small amount. Yet do you think globally? All Russians can't be trusted. All blacks should matter. What about the ones that killed the policemen in NY. Should he matter?

This is the type thinking that has divided this country. You can't disagree with Obama because it makes you racist. If you don't like what a female says, you're sexist. We are flooded with "illegal" people from Mexico. To try to enforce the law is racist? To even have such a law is racist.

If I am against the "Mexican" drug cartel, am I racist because they're Mexican? If I try to stop poor Mexicans illegally entering the country, am I racist?

The division exists. The words are confusing the issues. They are reckless. Being used as tools. Taking small allusions and making a person see a global belief. Republicans are racist. The Tea Party is racist. Whites are supremacists.

People use race to make a point. BLM does it as much as anyone. But others are racist and they aren't? To call out people who use their race as a tool of division is what I see. I don't see Trump attacking people because they are "not white". I see him expressing the culprit of the division. African American. Mexican American. They're divisive. I see you become American when you drop the former division. But many are attempting to use the former to identify the latter. I don't want the country to be Mexican or African. The melting pot melts. And people fight the very heat that causes this assimilation.

The actions speak louder than words. And I see no actions Trump has made that have resulted in any race being seen as non accepted or hated by him. And his more than generous proposal for this country to adopt 1.8 million DACA children is much more anti-racist than the Democrats are willing to admit, of accept.

I plainly see the racist word, as well as it's misuse.

I'm not going to respond to this wall of B.S.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Hey, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck logic is well and good. I just don't like making deeply personal statements about people I don't personally know.

FWIW, I strongly suspect he's a racist, indeed, I'd be extremely surprised to learn he isn't. If the standard of proof is "balance of probabilities", then sure, he's a racist. If we're going for "beyond reasonable doubt", though, I guess I still hesitate.

Sorry.

I can call someone an idiot even if I don't know them...Sorry but people make observations all the time. In the case of the orange man, he has been documented as a sexist, racist, bigot. I don't see how 12 people deem he is not when there is overwhelming proof. Trump supporters are beyond frustratingly ignorant of this fact.

 

[Phantasman]

I'm not going to respond to this wall of B.S.

I understand. You'd have to tear down the thought process behind it.

Unless a thought can be dis-proven, it's view remains.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I can call someone an idiot even if I don't know them...Sorry but people make observations all the time. In the case of the orange man, he has been documented as a sexist, racist, bigot. I don't see how 12 people deem he is not when there is overwhelming proof. Trump supporters are beyond frustratingly ignorant of this fact.

I'm not disageeing with you.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I understand. You'd have to tear down the thought process behind it.

Unless a thought can be dis-proven, it's view remains.

Ah, the good old "you can't prove me wrong, therefore I'm right!" tactic.

Yeah, and I have a dragon in my garage, as Carl Sagan might say.

 

[suncowiam]

How is the evidence circumstantial?

He made comments about Mexicans...

He made comments about black people....

He made comments about Muslims...

All are documented and public what is circumstantial about that?

That's fine and fair.

As naive as I do sound, IMO, he was playing to his polical party.

But you are right. He is on record for saying many racist things so I can't deny that.

 

[Phantasman]

Ah, the good old "you can't prove me wrong, therefore I'm right!" tactic.

Yeah, and I have a dragon in my garage, as Carl Sagan might say.

Did I say that? lol

I'd be the first to admit something if I'm shown to be wrong. How about you?

Obama saying that if he had a son it would look like Trayvon Martin. Lots of people saw racism. I didn't. I got the point without the BS. Same with Trump. If you hate him, you see all the reasons to fortify your hatred.

Enjoy your dragon.