Alceste
Vagabond
The biggest mistake anyone can make is to assume the way things are is the way they always will be.
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Is feminism still needed in the U.S.
- Thread starter MoonWater
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The biggest mistake anyone can make is to assume the way things are is the way they always will be.
Nice. I'm starting to like you.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
You are not sure what I meant.....?
I asked:-
1. I highlighted your dictionary definition. Are you happy with this? You don't want to add anything else?
2. In your 2nd para you write that the primary focus is women's rights and (precis) 'equality' to men. Would you like to mention any secondary focus list for us?.
You did not understand these questions? Please......Are you happy with your definition? Are there any secondary points of focus?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yes! But it wasn't, and it isn't. States (and people) don't seem to want Federal Legislation 'across the whole country', so individual States seem to have been passing legislation which differs from each other, etc. From what I read on RF, USA legislation is a real mish-mash. No wonder American lawyers are wealthy!
American lawyer:- :beach:
American citizen:- :thud:
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Me too! Rose-gold beats 'red'! Your avatar looks like my wife twenty years ago. She's even better now, and she is changing colour to steel-blonde.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hooray! Yes. :yes:
A sub-section. Still needed and good, but other sections such as children, disability, race, sexuality, etc etc run as well, allunder the title of ....... what?:help:
We need a decent word for peoplism.
Alceste
Vagabond
Feminists are concerned with the issues you list, generally. Since we are often caregivers for children, the disabled, etc. Policies and strategies that improve the lives of people who need extraordinary care affect women directly, and the erosion of gender stereotypes is good for everyone, especially LGBTQ.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
OK..... but....
Model Aeroplane enthusiasts are concerned with these issues. Members of the Sunningdale Bridge and Whist club are concerned with these issues. The Farningham wife-swapping, Swinging and Bi-sexing stampeders probably do have worries about all these issues. (I'm not actually a member, just guessing, ok?
) As Moonwater originally defined Feminism (and yet to confirm it
) :-And so....... it's probably best to stick to the definition. Or, would you like to offer another definition of feminism?
Alceste
Vagabond
OK..... but....
Model Aeroplane enthusiasts are concerned with these issues. Members of the Sunningdale Bridge and Whist club are concerned with these issues. The Farningham wife-swapping, Swinging and Bi-sexing stampeders probably do have worries about all these issues. (I'm not actually a member, just guessing, ok?
As Moonwater originally defined Feminism (and yet to confirm it
And so....... it's probably best to stick to the definition. Or, would you like to offer another definition of feminism?
Like any philosophy with thousands of thinkers contributing to it and centuries of history, a dictionary definition just can't sum feminism up. If you want to get the gist of why issues affecting children, LGBTQ, people with disabilities, minorities, etc. are important to modern feminists, you need only do a bit of reading on the subject. Would you like some recommendations? I expect the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy would be a good starting point.
Topics in Feminism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
Your response is pretty narrow in its scope. You seem to be focusing on specific things in order to make your point rather than taking a step back and looking at the big picture.
Modern lifestyles are much different than they used to be when you consider ALL aspects of them from socialising, eating, travelling, money etc.
Which people are you referring to?
How many people ACTUALLY drop out of school just to sit and smoke weed all their lives?
Technology is amazing, but can also be a hidrance. It can be a distraction. It also makes life easier for us, things are at our finger tips are lot quicker than they once were so things like our level of patience has changed as well.
Governments control, governments claim to be doing things for the good of the people but this is not always the case which is why politicians either contradict themselves or each other (or both).
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Mystic gave me a reading list months ago, but I'm so entrenched with the Historical Jesus reading list that I probably won't surface for many months.
I trust and believe that all the above issues are important to modern feminists. I do.
But they are very important to .......... every single responsibly minded person in the World. They cannot be considered as feminist (only) Aims and Objectives.
I know that I wrote facetiously in the last post, but with a dead serious undertone. By all means may the World's feminists focus upon issues outside of their defined Main Objective, but they should not take guardianship of those issues. Our local refuse collection team, the local carpet-cleaner (me
) or the local dentist has as much right to follow or lead such initiatives.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Mystic gave me a reading list months ago, but I'm so entrenched with the Historical Jesus reading list that I probably won't surface for many months.
I trust and believe that all the above issues are important to modern feminists. I do.
But they are very important to .......... every single responsibly minded person in the World. They cannot be considered as feminist (only) Aims and Objectives.
I know that I wrote facetiously in the last post, but with a dead serious undertone. By all means may the World's feminists focus upon issues outside of their defined Main Objective, but they should not take guardianship of those issues. Our local refuse collection team, the local carpet-cleaner (me
I do not think anyone is taking guardianship of any issue. You will not hear a single soul at the center for missing and exploited children lamenting or cursing feminists.
Alceste
Vagabond
Mystic gave me a reading list months ago, but I'm so entrenched with the Historical Jesus reading list that I probably won't surface for many months.
I trust and believe that all the above issues are important to modern feminists. I do.
But they are very important to .......... every single responsibly minded person in the World. They cannot be considered as feminist (only) Aims and Objectives.
I know that I wrote facetiously in the last post, but with a dead serious undertone. By all means may the World's feminists focus upon issues outside of their defined Main Objective, but they should not take guardianship of those issues. Our local refuse collection team, the local carpet-cleaner (me
I don't think anyone has ever claimed that only feminists are allowed to be concerned about the issues that are important to feminists. As with any movement or philosophy, there will always be overlapping concerns with other thinkers and activists. Those people who do not define themselves as feminists but are concerned with the same problems we focus on are our allies, not our competitors.
eyecareprofessional
Member
For me it's both yes and no.
Question_love_act
Humanist... "Animalist"?
The main focus of the debate from the posts I've read is the core most debates around feminism: should we focus on women's issues or fight for sexual/gender equality?
The best way to focus on "women's issues" (to me it's more of a concept than a fact, since the definition of "women" is far from clear, same for "men") AND fight for gender equality would be to fight against any stereotype based on gender.
Because the gender system affects everyone: men, women and people won't don't identify within the gender binary. The gender systems tricks us into believing a woman has to be nurturing and forget her own accomplishment and that a man should be independent and forget to seek help, support from others. And that's just one example!
The best way to focus on "women's issues" (to me it's more of a concept than a fact, since the definition of "women" is far from clear, same for "men") AND fight for gender equality would be to fight against any stereotype based on gender.
Because the gender system affects everyone: men, women and people won't don't identify within the gender binary. The gender systems tricks us into believing a woman has to be nurturing and forget her own accomplishment and that a man should be independent and forget to seek help, support from others. And that's just one example!
Alceste
Vagabond
I agree. There are some issues uniquely the province of women, for example maintaining control of our reproductive health care. Nobody is trying to take that away from men, only women. But I would like to live in a basically non-gendered / non-racial / generally non-discriminatory paradigm. Of course, we'd be a lot closer to that if we could only convince conservatives to let us handle our own reproductive health, just like men do.
Pagan_Patriot
Active Member
[youtube]IMkDEe8ypfU[/youtube]
Women Are Paid Less Than Men Not Because of Discrimination - YouTube
Women Are Paid Less Than Men Not Because of Discrimination - YouTube
Does the woman in your video have sources to back up her assertions?
How about reading about Lilly Ledbetter to counter?
Pagan_Patriot
Active Member
Do they get equal pay for doing the same job for the same amount of hours or no.
Did you read the link I provided? And does your youtube vid have any sources to back up her assertions?