Is feminism still needed in the U.S.

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Many that do where around forteen, the age where you start doubting everything you took for granted. Most of us did stupid things at that age. Their stupidity was not greater, just more heavily punished.

No, I'd say their stupidity was greater...

 

[Curious George]

Ha... Biblically...

A few girls I went to school with are prostitutes/amateur porn stars now. A good friend of mine is a pimp, and I had a roommate who called herself an "escort"(we all know what that means). Add that to the environment I grew up in, and I'm far from ignorant about the ins and outs of the prostitution industry. This picture being painted of these poor, innocent girls who didn't know any better is far from the norm, at least in my area.

I would only suggest that you sit and listen to those you know and extend understanding instead of judgment. Life is not easy and we are not all born with the same strengths or advantages.

 

[Curious George]

Maybe not all of them; some were probably kidnapped, but the ones that went along voluntarily (don't say there weren't any; you know that's a lie) most definitely did deserve what they got.

They were kids! Listen to yourself

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I would only suggest that you sit and listen to those you know and extend understanding instead of judgment. Life is not easy and we are not all born with the same strengths or advantages.

Again, no sympathy here. Anyone looking to me for pity because of a situation they got into voluntarily will be sorely disappointed.

 

[Curious George]

Again, no sympathy here. Anyone looking to me for pity because of a situation they got into voluntarily will be sorely disappointed.

understanding and pity are different.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

They were kids! Listen to yourself

What's your point? They were stupid... I'm not one to change my opinion because someone throws some wiki sob story out.

 

[Aquitaine]

Maybe not all of them; some were probably kidnapped, but the ones that went along voluntarily (don't say there weren't any; you know that's a lie) most definitely did deserve what they got.

Yeah, there were some who went "voluntarily" - depending on what exactly they thought was going to happen the first time.
Also, these girls were around 15, from dysfunctional families. Wouldn't surprise me if they'd been raised in an environment of drugs, sexual abuse, poverty and violence etc. You really think they deserved being snared into basically a Rape ring, for that first initial mistake of going along with the "recruiter" (another 15 year old girl) - especially when there's drugs involved?

I mean..... what... would you say a child who fell for the "I've got some candy in my car" trick deserved it? How far are you willing to go down that line of thinking?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Yeah, there were some who went "voluntarily" - depending on what exactly they thought was going to happen the first time.
Also, these girls were around 15, from dysfunctional families. Wouldn't surprise me if they'd been raised in an environment of drugs, sexual abuse and, poverty and violence etc. You really think they deserved being snared into basically a Rape ring, for that first initial mistake of going along with the "recruiter" (another 15 year old girl) - especially when there's drugs involved?

I mean..... what... would you say a child who fell for the "I've got some candy in my car" trick deserved it? How far are you willing to go down that line of thinking?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Kids who fall for the candy trick are stupid too, and so are their parents for not teaching them any better.

And on a sidenote: Anyone who thinks I'm trolling or saying this to get a reaction; I'm dead serious.

 

[Aquitaine]

Again, no sympathy here. Anyone looking to me for pity because of a situation they got into voluntarily will be sorely disappointed.

Just out of curiosity I would appreciate it if you'd answer this hypothetical:
A woman voluntarily walks home alone at night voluntarily wearing a dress, and gets raped - did she deserve it?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Just out of curiosity I would appreciate it if you'd answer this hypothetical:
A woman voluntarily walks home alone at night voluntarily wearing a dress, and gets raped - did she deserve it?

That's not even close to the same thing... If a stranger came up and said "hey, let me walk you home", and they went along and got raped, then I would say it's their fault. Do you see the difference?

 

[Curious George]

What's your point? They were stupid... I'm not one to change my opinion because someone throws some wiki sob story out.

I had a friend of whom you remind me. He believed we were all just dirtbags and the sooner one realized this the sooner one could realize that they could take whatever they wanted. he found his belief liberating. And perhaps he should. everyday we are surrounded by so much emotion both happiness and suffering. To write off all suffering by hardening ones feeling to anothers suffering.

I do not agree with this philosophy nor would I seek to shed my empathy. Whether or not someone is stupid hardly justifies closing off my ability to understand another perspective.

 

[Alceste]

I didn't "have to" risk anything. I could have gotten a second job or a loan. There are always legal options. I sold pot when money was tight because it was fast money and I'm really good at it. If you know what you're doing, the risk of doing time is minimal. I'm a strong believer in the idea that people who say they break the law out of necessity are just playing the victim, and I refuse to feel sorry for them.

Lol, you sound exactly like my prostitute friend. Fast money. She knows what she's doing. She's in control.

Nobody's playing the victim, btw. I'm not a prostitute or a drug dealer. I am a person who feels sympathy for people who feel like they ought to choose foolish and dangerous ways to earn money, like prostitution or drug dealing, regardless of how they rationalize it and how much they think they're in control. I actually see little difference between the two as far as the risks are concerned.

 

[Aquitaine]

That's not even close to the same thing... If a stranger came up and said "hey, let me walk you home", and they went along and got raped, then I would say it's their fault. Do you see the difference?

What difference would it have made if she said "No", if he approaches her with intention to rape, he's most-likely gonna follow through and do it.

Or if he didn't even speak to her, just approached her and attacked - was she "stupid" and "deserving" for walking home alone at night?

 

[Alceste]

perhaps there were no jobs around, and how does studying pay the bills?

Are you serious? Are you planning to be a waiter forever?

 

[Curious George]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Kids who fall for the candy trick are stupid too, and so are their parents for not teaching them any better.

And on a sidenote: Anyone who thinks I'm trolling or saying this to get a reaction; I'm dead serious.

I don't think you are trolling, I think you are either standing by your argument to the point of absurdity, or have yet to realize that the self made man is an illusion.

 

[Aquitaine]

I don't think you are trolling, I think you are either standing by your argument to the point of absurdity, or have yet to realize that the self made man is an illusion.

I very much agree. :yes:

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

What difference would it have made if she said "No", if he approaches her with intention to rape, he's most-likely gonna follow through and do it.

Or if he didn't even speak to her, just approached her and attacked - was she "stupid" and "deserving" for walking home alone at night?

At least if she said "no" she would have a good head on her shoulders. At that point, whatever happens is just unfortunate.

I already said the action of walking at night doesn't merit deserving to get raped. Willingly trusting a stranger most definitely does though.

 

[Aquitaine]

At least if she said "no" she would have a good head on her shoulders. At that point, whatever happens is just unfortunate.

I already said the action of walking at night doesn't merit deserving to get raped. Willingly trusting a stranger most definitely does though.

Had this stranger whom she'd trusted to take her home been a Taxi driver, who's taxi she got into voluntarily, would you think any differently?

I know I'm asking a lot of questions, I'm just trying to "feel around" to get a better understanding of your position.

 

[Alceste]

At least if she said "no" she would have a good head on her shoulders. At that point, whatever happens is just unfortunate.

I already said the action of walking at night doesn't merit deserving to get raped. Willingly trusting a stranger most definitely does though.

Nah. I trust strangers all the time, all around the world. All my friends were strangers once. It's not like this is "beyond thunderdome" we're living in. People are generally OK. Besides, WAY more often than not, it's your intimate relations that rape, beat or kill you, not random people walking down the street. If anything, you're way safer if you ONLY talk to strangers, and they stay strangers.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Lol, you sound exactly like my prostitute friend. Fast money. She knows what she's doing. She's in control.

Nobody's playing the victim, btw. I'm not a prostitute or a drug dealer. I am a person who feels sympathy for people who feel like they ought to choose foolish and dangerous ways to earn money, like prostitution or drug dealing, regardless of how they rationalize it and how much they think they're in control. I actually see little difference between the two as far as the risks are concerned.

I never said you were playing the victim, nor did I mean to make it sound that way. From our conversations I've gathered that you're smarter than that.

Selling decriminalized drugs to a small circle of trusted people definitely involves a lot less risk than selling your body to complete strangers. *edit*