Is feminism still needed in the U.S.

[I.S.L.A.M617]

That's not how pimps recruit. They don't say "hey, I'm a pimp, want a job selling your body and giving me all the money?" They start out acting like a pretty much normal boyfriend and they get you away from your parents and "groom" you, and they try to get you when you're young. REALLY young.

I know how it works, but you still have to be pretty stupid to fall for it.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

So if you ended up being someone else's *** in prison raped constantly you would have disrved that too?

Yes...

Why are you so aggrisve towards "whiners"? Who punished you so severely for expressing feelings or need? What on Earth happened to you?

Nobody punished me for expressing my needs. I was just taught that if I needed something I should work for it, and playing the victim won't get me anywhere.

 

[Me Myself]

Yes...


Nobody punished me for expressing my needs. I was just taught that if I needed something I should work for it, and playing the victim won't get me anywhere.

You were taught that being a victim is a game?

 

[Volodya]

Working or studying.

perhaps there were no jobs around, and how does studying pay the bills?

 

[Volodya]

You were taught that being a victim is a game?

It is for a lot of people, it's one of the great milks of the modern age.

 

[Me Myself]

It is for a lot of people, it's one of the great milks of the modern age.

When you ARE a victim, it is not a game. o.o

 

[Volodya]

That's true, and I agree, but there is a VAST difference between consensual sex-work and being forced into it.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

A ploy if you prefer. I was also taught acting the victim, over-stressing (or outright inventing) my hardships in the hope of getting assistance (or sympathy) from others is a disgraceful way to behave or to get ahead. Combined with the expectation that one should internalize any suffering and to get on with things (men are typically seen as being defined by what they accomplish after all, while women by what they try to be); well it pretty soon becomes a case of 'so you got hurt? stop whining already ya poor little princess.'

It isn't that being the victim is seen as a ploy, rather that representing yourself as someone who has been victimized is.

Not just a ploy but a pathetic, emasculating one.

 

[Me Myself]

That's true, and I agree, but there is a VAST difference between consensual sex-work and being forced into it.

Absolutely. Being forced is not work, its slavery.

It is also the ciecumstance of most prostitutes. They come in thinking they will work. They find out they are becoming slaves when it is too late.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

You were taught that being a victim is a game?

"Playing" as in acting... People that blame society for their problems are a joke. I didn't grow up in the best neighborhood and my family wasn't wealthy, but my parents worked hard, moved up to bigger and better things later, and taught me that I would have to work hard too if I was going to do better. There are people who are genuinely victimized, and acting like you're one of them because you lack ambition disgusts me.

 

[Me Myself]

"Playing" as in acting... People that blame society for their problems are a joke. I didn't grow up in the best neighborhood and my family wasn't wealthy, but my parents worked hard, moved up to bigger and better things later, and taught me that I would have to work hard too if I was going to do better. There are people who are genuinely victimized, and acting like you're one of them because you lack ambition disgusts me.

Sure, I can understand that, but most prostitutes were genuinely victimized.

Being tricked enslaved abused and tortured goes in the area of genuine victimhood on my book.

 

[Curious George]

Yes, I agree this discriminatory practice still happens a lot. If it isn't too much to ask, could you PM me any links and resources so I can point other pregnant women in the right directions for finding legal representation?

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Can't seem to pm very well on my phone. To find exact services I would need to look in your state. But, assuming you are in u.s. The first step would be to file a complaint with the EEOC. You should be able to google them. Next, find your states human rights department, if you live in a big city the city should have one. If you do not live in a big city, then you will contact the human rights department in your state capital. Some human rights departments will just screen and investigate complaints while others will help victims pursue litigation by connecting them with attorneys. Different non profit groups will also help and connecting to these groups is sometimes hard because not all of them deal with the same issues and some are more obscure. So I would suggest contacting your local community action agency (even most small cities have these). Community action agencies can usually point you in all directions everything from WIC to legal aid. "legal aid" however is your best option if you want to pursue legal recourse. There are local lawyers that will sit down and either offer their services or help connect you with a lawyer who can help. legal aid is great and they help people in poverty with everything from taxes to discrimination. When dealing with discrimination or loss of rights the ACLU is also worth looking into. Much of their work is pro bono and they have some of the best legal minds at some of their locations. Finally, many lawyers will take up an employment lawsuit that is so blatant such as yours not pro bono but for a contingency. so, while you could just scroll through the employment law attorneys for your area, make sure pursuing a law suit is what the woman wants first. Perhaps, she just wants to get her job back in which case talking with her boss by herself or with an advocate might be the best course.

 

[Curious George]

via tips or something? That is how the restaurant serving industry operates in the US, so err like, hello, yes, of course it's about tips - sheesh!

Hot girls virtually always get more money per month in tips, than unattractive men.

That is DISCRIMINATION pure and simple, so again, why aren't you complaining about this?

Is it because you are a hypocrite?

I am you jumped offline last night before I could make my point. We left off at sex sells. Now if sex sells the people who are buying sex over good service in the wait staff industry are making a value judgment. From Where does this value judgment stem?

 

[Aquitaine]

Sure, I can understand that, but most prostitutes were genuinely victimized.

Being tricked enslaved abused and tortured goes in the area of genuine victimhood on my book.

I agree. There are so many negative factors to include which erases the idea that people just choose to be homeless and prostitutes.

Besides, if it all was just a case of pure "what the Hell, it'll be fun!" choice, with no other factors keeping them from getting out, then given the dangerous conditions Prostitutes (especially homeless ones) face, virtually all of them would have gone "Nah, maybe this isn't for me" and moved on to a different form of employment.

After all, it's their choice if those lazy women decide to be homeless and prostitute themselves, and if they get killed - meh, serves 'em right. :sarcastic

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Sure, I can understand that, but most prostitutes were genuinely victimized.

Being tricked enslaved abused and tortured goes in the area of genuine victimhood on my book.

Yeah, but most of them chose to be victimized. The majority of prostitutes aren't kidnapped or sold as children. A large number of them were just down on their luck, wanted quick money(for whatever reason), and refused to do any real work for it. It's naive to think the majority of these women went into prostitution having no idea of the dangers that come with the job. We grow up learning about how dangerous life is when you make the wrong choices. Our parents warn us as children, the news tells us; even our entertainment does. If I had a nickel for every episode of Law & Order where a hooker got killed I'd be rich. This is exactly the reason why I think you have to be a complete idiot to allow yourself to go down that road, and have no sympathy for those that do.

 

[Curious George]

Yeah, but most of them chose to be victimized. The majority of prostitutes aren't kidnapped or sold as children. A large number of them were just down on their luck, wanted quick money(for whatever reason), and refused to do any real work for it. It's naive to think the majority of these women went into prostitution having no idea of the dangers that come with the job. We grow up learning about how dangerous life is when you make the wrong choices. Our parents warn us as children, the news tells us; even our entertainment does. If I had a nickel for every episode of Law & Order where a hooker got killed I'd be rich. This is exactly the reason why I think you have to be a complete idiot to allow yourself to go down that road, and have no sympathy for those that do.

How many prostitutes have you known (and no, not Biblically).

 

[Aquitaine]

Yeah, but most of them chose to be victimized. The majority of prostitutes aren't kidnapped or sold as children. A large number of them were just down on their luck, wanted quick money(for whatever reason), and refused to do any real work for it. It's naive to think the majority of these women went into prostitution having no idea of the dangers that come with the job. We grow up learning about how dangerous life is when you make the wrong choices. Our parents warn us as children, the news tells us; even our entertainment does. If I had a nickel for every episode of Law & Order where a hooker got killed I'd be rich. This is exactly the reason why I think you have to be a complete idiot to allow yourself to go down that road, and have no sympathy for those that do.

What about the victims of the Rochdale Sex Gang, did they deserve it for being "stupid"?

Rochdale sex trafficking gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Me Myself]

Yeah, but most of them chose to be victimized. The majority of prostitutes aren't kidnapped or sold as children. A large number of them were just down on their luck, wanted quick money(for whatever reason), and refused to do any real work for it. It's naive to think the majority of these women went into prostitution having no idea of the dangers that come with the job. We grow up learning about how dangerous life is when you make the wrong choices. Our parents warn us as children, the news tells us; even our entertainment does. If I had a nickel for every episode of Law & Order where a hooker got killed I'd be rich. This is exactly the reason why I think you have to be a complete idiot to allow yourself to go down that road, and have no sympathy for those that do.

Many that do where around forteen, the age where you start doubting everything you took for granted. Most of us did stupid things at that age. Their stupidity was not greater, just more heavily punished.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

How many prostitutes have you known (and no, not Biblically).

Ha... Biblically...

A few girls I went to school with are prostitutes/amateur porn stars now. A good friend of mine is a pimp, and I had a roommate who called herself an "escort"(we all know what that means). Add that to the environment I grew up in, and I'm far from ignorant about the ins and outs of the prostitution industry. This picture being painted of these poor, innocent girls who didn't know any better is far from the norm, at least in my area.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

What about the victims of the Rochdale Sex Gang, did they deserve it for being "stupid"?

Rochdale sex trafficking gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe not all of them; some were probably kidnapped, but the ones that went along voluntarily (don't say there weren't any; you know that's a lie) most definitely did deserve what they got.