Is feminism still needed in the U.S.

[Me Myself]

My understanding about prostitution by before homeless women is that they are lied to about the particulars of the job (they are said they can say "no" if ey dont like the customer for example ) and then after they realise they dont like their new job they are cohereced into mantaining the lifestyle, cohersing that can and often includes extreme physical and psychological abuse and extortion.

The problem wi the choice to be prostitute is that it is often an unimformed one and that then on the pimps "own" them and they are not allowed to take it back.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

My understanding about prostitution by before homeless women is that they are lied to about the particulars of the job (they are said they can say "no" if ey dont like the customer for example ) and then after they realise they dont like their new job they are cohereced into mantaining the lifestyle, cohersing that can and often includes extreme physical and psychological abuse and extortion.

The problem wi the choice to be prostitute is that it is often an unimformed one and that then on the pimps "own" them and they are not allowed to take it back.

At the risk of sounding insensitive... You play with fire, you get burnt.

 

[Me Myself]

Source?

Homelessness in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Single men are the biggest homeless population.

When a woman is homeless it is more likely spent less time homeless than e man, spent more time in shelters. Se is also more likely to be of ainority and be a mother. Those that are not of a minority and/or mothers are more likely to have story of alcohol and substance abuse and to have been homeless for less time.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Remember, we're talking about homeless Women here. Do you really think homeless Women aren't going into prostitution because of Economic desperation? Also, think about how they may have gotten there in the first place: drugs, no family/support network, abuse, mental illness etc. Do you really think Women just wake up one day and go "Hmmm, I'm a strong independent Woman, I want to pursue a lifestyle of homeless prostitution"?

Some women do choose to become prostitutes because it's genuinely what they want to do, but that's a very small minority. I'm not saying homeless women aren't doing it out of economic desperation; I'm saying it isn't their only choice. Anyone that isn't kidnapped by a pimp is making the conscious decision to become a prostitute. Anything that happens after that is their problem.

Right, more "American Dream" mentality nonsense: Only lazy people are homeless.

It's only nonsense if you have no ambition. My mother did it, and I know plenty of others who worked their way up from the bottom. The problem with people is that they always want to be a victim, and by the time they realize nobody's gonna save them, they're too far gone.

 

[Alceste]

At the risk of sounding insensitive... You play with fire, you get burnt.

Yeah. You offer somebody a BJ in exchange for enough money to eat and find a bed indoors, you get your throat slit. I'm sure they're all completely aware from day one that's the name of the prostitution game. Nobody ever lies about it. Pimps never charm and sweet talk women into working for them. Johns always offer full disclosure of their plans in advance before they stab, choke or beat a prostitute to death. And we all talk so openly and frankly about the subject of prostitution and human trafficking to our economically disadvantaged women and girls. There's absolutely NO WAY any woman could EVER get the idea that prostitution was mainly about selling sex, and violence is avoidable and unnecessary.

 

[Alceste]

Some women do choose to become prostitutes because it's genuinely what they want to do, but that's a very small minority. I'm not saying homeless women aren't doing it out of economic desperation; I'm saying it isn't their only choice. Anyone that isn't kidnapped by a pimp is making the conscious decision to become a prostitute. Anything that happens after that is their problem.

It's only nonsense if you have no ambition. My mother did it, and I know plenty of others who worked their way up from the bottom. The problem with people is that they always want to be a victim, and by the time they realize nobody's gonna save them, they're too far gone.

Your mother was a prostitute?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Yeah. You offer somebody a BJ in exchange for enough money to eat and find a bed indoors, you get your throat slit. I'm sure they're all completely aware from day one that's the name of the prostitution game. Nobody ever lies about it. Pimps never charm and sweet talk women into working for them. Johns always offer full disclosure of their plans in advance before they stab, choke or beat a prostitute to death. And we all talk so openly and frankly about the subject of prostitution and human trafficking to our economically disadvantaged women and girls. There's absolutely NO WAY any woman could EVER get the idea that prostitution was mainly about selling sex, and violence is avoidable and unnecessary.

They're stupid for listening; you're not gonna find any sympathy here...

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Your mother was a prostitute?

No, my mother was homeless. She got a real job to improve her situation.

 

[Alceste]

They're stupid for listening; you're not gonna find any sympathy here...

Obviously. What about for John Wayne Bobbitt, who got his pecker chopped off by his wife. Any sympathy for him? Or was he also basically asking for it?

 

[Volodya]

How on Earth are you going to "regulate" how the customers tip? Ugh, this is one of the reasons why I'm glad we don't have Tips in my country. ^_^

By pooling all tips to be shared by all employees.

 

[Volodya]

I've been assistant before, to a female of all things. And worked as a dishwasher and cook for... way too long of my life. That being said, your comparison to your inability to be a assistant or server fails significantly in comparison to many women who still find themselves incredibly underrepresented in fields like being a lawyer or a doctor or a CEO.

Probably because they have less value to the company, and are therefore paid less.

 

[Me Myself]

They're stupid for listening; you're not gonna find any sympathy here...

Lets pretend they were stupid.

Do stupid people diserve to be enslaved abused and tortured?

 

[Volodya]

Actually did, btw, in a thread called "Should Tipping Be Banned?" Again, I fail to see how terrible not making as much money as a female does in **** positions, when you are perfectly capable of applying oneself to be in a number of high ranking fields, where one will most be certainly find oneself advantaged to all women concerning pay and promotion.

Perhaps the guy who finds himself as a waiter, is not able to reach any higher.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Obviously. What about for John Wayne Bobbitt, who got his pecker chopped off by his wife. Any sympathy for him? Or was he also basically asking for it?

No sympathy there either. In fact, I have less sympathy for him than I do the prostitutes. He should have never got caught.

 

[Volodya]

Although I have no direct experience with Prostitution or those who got into it, I'm pretty sure all of the Women hanging out on dark street corners, waiting for strangers to have sex with, are not doing so out of their own "Choice".

for sure it's a choice, because otherwise they could work at Macdonalds, get on welfare or go out begging, or if they are addicts then they can give up.

It's a choice!

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Perhaps the guy who finds himself as a waiter, is not able to reach any higher.

That's not true at all. I'm a waiter, and it's definitely not all I hope to be. It's a great job to have now while I'm young because I pretty much make my own schedule and I make a good amount of money.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Lets pretend they were stupid.

Do stupid people diserve to be enslaved abused and tortured?

Yes... They do.

 

[Alceste]

No sympathy there either. In fact, I have less sympathy for him than I do the prostitutes. He should have never got caught.

Got caught doing what? Physically and psychologically abusing his wife until she lost her mind and chopped his junk off?

 

[Me Myself]

Lets just hope you are never enslaved abused and tortured for making a single bad choice after having been lied to in a time of desperate need.

 

[Volodya]

Many prostitutes do it because it pays good money - they are not all poor and desperate, not by a long shot!