Is God pro-abortion?

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, I don’t see any intelligent reason to believe so. Please explain why do you believe so?

Because I have read and understood the Bible. Perhaps you should read it some day. Or if you want to take a shortcut there is this video that you can watch. It covers every death caused by God in the Bible:

(3) How Many People Did God Kill in the Bible? - YouTube

 

[ElishaElijah]

When are you gonna start presenting his words without your opinions?
I mean, the only reason you have been presenting his words is in support of YOUR opinions...

“The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it sets. From Zion, perfect in beauty, God shines forth. Our God comes and will not be silent; a fire devours before him, and around him a tempest rages. He summons the heavens above, and the earth, that he may judge his people: “Gather to me this consecrated people, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice.” And the heavens proclaim his righteousness, for he is a God of justice. “Listen, my people, and I will speak; I will testify against you, Israel: I am God, your God. I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me. I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know every bird in the mountains, and the insects in the fields are mine. If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it. Do I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats? “Sacrifice thank offerings to God, fulfill your vows to the Most High, and call on me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you will honor me.” But to the wicked person, God says: “What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips? You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you. When you see a thief, you join with him; you throw in your lot with adulterers. You use your mouth for evil and harness your tongue to deceit. You sit and testify against your brother and slander your own mother’s son. When you did these things and I kept silent, you thought I was exactly like you. But I now arraign you and set my accusations before you. “Consider this, you who forget God, or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you: Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me, and to the blameless I will show my salvation.””
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭50:1-23‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[ElishaElijah]

Sorry,, it does not work that way. Right now the legal standard is that they do not have the same rights that people do. You want to change the law so the burden of proof is upon you.

What makes a human a human and a puppy a puppy? It cannot be just DNA. DNA on its own is just a molecule. It cannot be because humans have a soul since it is unknown if we do have a soul and if we have one when it becomes part of us. In fact it used to be believed, at least in Old Testament times, that the soul entered the body with the first breath.

Sorry,, it does not work that way. Right now the legal standard is that they do not have the same rights that people do. You want to change the law so the burden of proof is upon you.

What makes a human a human and a puppy a puppy? It cannot be just DNA. DNA on its own is just a molecule. It cannot be because humans have a soul since it is unknown if we do have a soul and if we have one when it becomes part of us. In fact it used to be believed, at least in Old Testament times, that the soul entered the body with the first breath.

Whose breath?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Sorry,, it does not work that way. Right now the legal standard is that they do not have the same rights that people do. You want to change the law so the burden of proof is upon you.

What makes a human a human and a puppy a puppy? It cannot be just DNA. DNA on its own is just a molecule. It cannot be because humans have a soul since it is unknown if we do have a soul and if we have one when it becomes part of us. In fact it used to be believed, at least in Old Testament times, that the soul entered the body with the first breath.

Not true brother.
“Isaac prayed to the Lord on behalf of his wife, because she was childless. The Lord answered his prayer, and his wife Rebekah became pregnant. The babies jostled each other within her, and she said, “Why is this happening to me?” So she went to inquire of the Lord. The Lord said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.” When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭25:21-24‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not true brother.
“Isaac prayed to the Lord on behalf of his wife, because she was childless. The Lord answered his prayer, and his wife Rebekah became pregnant. The babies jostled each other within her, and she said, “Why is this happening to me?” So she went to inquire of the Lord. The Lord said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.” When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭25:21-24‬ ‭NIV‬‬

You misunderstand that verse. There is nothing there that supports your view. You should rely on actual scholars and not your personal beliefs. The belief in ensoulment was not until the first breath at that time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whose breath?

At birth the babies first breath was thought to be when ensoulment occurred. And the last breath was when the soul left.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You misunderstand that verse. There is nothing there that supports your view. You should rely on actual scholars and not your personal beliefs. The belief in ensoulment was not until the first breath at that time.

Notice how far off you are... The Lord said

 

[Subduction Zone]

Notice how far off you are... The Lord said

LOL!! You only disqualify yourself when you repeat that error.

 

[ElishaElijah]

At birth the babies first breath was thought to be when ensoulment occurred. And the last breath was when the soul left.

It was the breathe of God that started life, after that, when a woman was pregnant the life was considered a baby, child even called nations for what they would become.
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was the breathe of God that started life, after that, when a woman was pregnant the life was considered a baby, child even called nations for what they would become.
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

You need to use proper language here.

We know that the Adam and Eve story was a myth, so you should be using that qualifier. But, as usual you are wrong about what the writers of the Bible believed. The belief that the soul originated at birth is a Greek belief that later affected Christianity. But for a long time, at least when the Old Testament was written, the belief was that the soul came in with the first breath:

When Does Life Begin? A Jewish View | Reclaiming Judaism

 

[We Never Know]

You need to use proper language here.

We know that the Adam and Eve story was a myth, so you should be using that qualifier. But, as usual you are wrong about what the writers of the Bible believed. The belief that the soul originated at birth is a Greek belief that later affected Christianity. But for a long time, at least when the Old Testament was written, the belief was that the soul came in with the first breath:

When Does Life Begin? A Jewish View | Reclaiming Judaism

The first line in your link...
"Most often in Jewish sacred literature, a fetus in the womb is considered a human life “under construction.”

 

[Subduction Zone]

The first line in your link...
"Most often in Jewish sacred literature, a fetus in the womb is considered a human life “under construction.”

Correct. You should have not stopped there, or at least you should have tried to understand that in context. Since it is "under construction" it is not a human life yet.

 

[We Never Know]

Correct. You should have not stopped there, or at least you should have tried to understand that in context. Since it is "under construction" it is not a human life yet.

Your links title. "When does life began?"

It clearly states in the first sentence when life begins ... "Most often in Jewish sacred literature, a fetus in the womb is considered a human life “under construction.”

Your shot yourself in the foot with that link.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You need to use proper language here.

We know that the Adam and Eve story was a myth, so you should be using that qualifier. But, as usual you are wrong about what the writers of the Bible believed. The belief that the soul originated at birth is a Greek belief that later affected Christianity. But for a long time, at least when the Old Testament was written, the belief was that the soul came in with the first breath:

When Does Life Begin? A Jewish View | Reclaiming Judaism

You need to use proper language here.

We know that the Adam and Eve story was a myth, so you should be using that qualifier. But, as usual you are wrong about what the writers of the Bible believed. The belief that the soul originated at birth is a Greek belief that later affected Christianity. But for a long time, at least when the Old Testament was written, the belief was that the soul came in with the first breath:

When Does Life Begin? A Jewish View | Reclaiming Judaism

You actually posted this as your source, lol

Another popular midrash also emphasizes this notion of not making it easy to uncover our connection to the Big Picture. This story also accords the fetus cognitive ability while in the womb. It goes like this: While the fetus is gestating, an angel is teaching it Torah, all of Torah. When the child is about to be born, the angel flicks the child just above the lip, causing everything that was learned to be forgotten. [Niddah 30b] Just enough residual memory remains for the human to experience the urge to seek, savor, and believe we can find and connect again to that sweet, deep learning in our lives.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your links title. "When does life began?"

It clearly states in the first sentence when life begins ... "Most often in Jewish sacred literature, a fetus in the womb is considered a human life “under construction.”

Your shot yourself in the foot with that link.

Sorry, an inability to understand context does not mean that I shot myself in the foot.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You actually posted this as your source, lol

Another popular midrash also emphasizes this notion of not making it easy to uncover our connection to the Big Picture. This story also accords the fetus cognitive ability while in the womb. It goes like this: While the fetus is gestating, an angel is teaching it Torah, all of Torah. When the child is about to be born, the angel flicks the child just above the lip, causing everything that was learned to be forgotten. [Niddah 30b] Just enough residual memory remains for the human to experience the urge to seek, savor, and believe we can find and connect again to that sweet, deep learning in our lives.

And yet you ignored the most important part of that. Even though they had those silly beliefs guess what? They still believed that it became human in the sense of having a soul at brith.

I love it how both of you focus on the the inconsequential and focus on the minor parts that are either clearly mythical or out of context. The questions was when did the soul enter the body so that it could be claimed to be human. The writers of the Bible believed it to be at birth.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And yet you ignored the most important part of that. Even though they had those silly beliefs guess what? They still believed that it became human in the sense of having a soul at brith.

I love it how both of you focus on the the inconsequential and focus on the minor parts that are either clearly mythical or out of context. The questions was when did the soul enter the body so that it could be claimed to be human. The writers of the Bible believed it to be at birth.[/

And yet you ignored the most important part of that. Even though they had those silly beliefs guess what? They still believed that it became human in the sense of having a soul at brith.

I love it how both of you focus on the the inconsequential and focus on the minor parts that are either clearly mythical or out of context. The questions was when did the soul enter the body so that it could be claimed to be human. The writers of the Bible believed it to be at birth.

Nice try bruv

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nice try bruv

Nope, as usual you failed to understand the point of the link. But then you cannot afford to understand. In fact you have to deny reality for your beliefs. Until you begin to accept reality there is almost no way to win a debate.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nope, as usual you failed to understand the point of the link. But then you cannot afford to understand. In fact you have to deny reality for your beliefs. Until you begin to accept reality there is almost no way to win a debate.

I understood the point just fine, it was false.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I understood the point just fine, it was false.

Then why did you fail utterly as you have so often in the past?

And I need to remind you that you will not even allow yourself to understand how test your claims. You cannot know what is true or false when you use the Ostrich Defense.