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Is God pro-abortion?

ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
Why do you think that is important? Your focus on words is why you frequently do not understand scripture. Don't you think that a miscarriage can be described without using the word "miscarriage"?

Context is more important than individual words in understanding scripture.
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It can but the problem with that particular text is the subject is again” the law of the jealous husband and unfaithful wife” doesn’t mention whether she is pregnant or not they all drink the same water and dirt mix, whether the unfaithful woman is pregnant or not the curse is the same , her stomach swells and her thigh rots. Nothing happens to the faithful wife.
 
Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
It can but the problem with that particular text is the subject is again” the law of the jealous husband and unfaithful wife” doesn’t mention whether she is pregnant or not they all drink the same water and dirt mix, whether the unfaithful woman is pregnant or not the curse is the same , her stomach swells and her thigh rots. Nothing happens to the faithful wife.
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And it does not have to. Once again, the context tells us that she is pregnant. This is why you ran away from one question at least five times.

And you are also having trouble separating myth from reality. How do you want to approach this first?

Clearly you still do not understand the context of the passage and the euphemisms involved. It is an error to read it literally.
 
ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
And it does not have to. Once again, the context tells us that she is pregnant. This is why you ran away from one question at least five times.

And you are also having trouble separating myth from reality. How do you want to approach this first?

Clearly you still do not understand the context of the passage and the euphemisms involved. It is an error to read it literally.
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So you’re saying that Numbers 5 only applies to a pregnant wife who is suspected of being unfaithful? That’s how you read that? Doesn’t say that or make any distinction at all, she may or may not be pregnant. That wasn’t the point of the text, again the subject is :
“‘This is the law of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband’s authority, goes astray and defiles herself, or when the spirit of jealousy comes upon a man, and he becomes jealous of his wife; then he shall stand the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute all this law upon her.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭5:29-30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Get it?
 
Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
So you’re saying that Numbers 5 only applies to a pregnant wife who is suspected of being unfaithful? That’s how you read that? Doesn’t say that or make any distinction at all, she may or may not be pregnant. That wasn’t the point of the text, again the subject is :
“‘This is the law of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband’s authority, goes astray and defiles herself, or when the spirit of jealousy comes upon a man, and he becomes jealous of his wife; then he shall stand the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute all this law upon her.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭5:29-30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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The context is rather clear that that is the case. You need to read and understand the entire passage. Do not just focus on some parts of it.
 
ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
The context is rather clear that that is the case. You need to read and understand the entire passage. Do not just focus on some parts of it.
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Sorry brother, you’re wrong and posted the verse for you you’re adding your own spin. If you want to make your point use a different text, that one just doesn’t say what you’re insinuating.
 
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ElishaElijah said:
Sorry brother, you’re wrong and posted the verse for you you’re adding your own spin. If you want to make your point use a different text, that one just doesn’t say what you’re insinuating.
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No, I am not adding any spin. I am ignoring your verse taken out of context. You ignore the context that explains how it applies to a pregnant woman.

By the way since you dodged the question that showed that you were wrong one of the clear ways that a man could know that his wife cheated on him is if she was pregnant.

Let's say he has been away from home for 6 months and comes home to a three months pregnant wife. Did she cheat?

There are quite a few other possible examples as well. What should have been a big clue to you that the husband was sure that his wife cheated on him is that there were no witnesses. That would include the husband. Now I am not saying that it impossible for a husband to know that his wife cheated on him without witnesses with his wife cheating in other ways, but tell me, how did he know? Your explanation cannot include a witness.
 
ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
No, I am not adding any spin. I am ignoring your verse taken out of context. You ignore the context that explains how it applies to a pregnant woman.

By the way since you dodged the question that showed that you were wrong one of the clear ways that a man could know that his wife cheated on him is if she was pregnant.

Let's say he has been away from home for 6 months and comes home to a three months pregnant wife. Did she cheat?

There are quite a few other possible examples as well. What should have been a big clue to you that the husband was sure that his wife cheated on him is that there were no witnesses. That would include the husband. Now I am not saying that it impossible for a husband to know that his wife cheated on him without witnesses with his wife cheating in other ways, but tell me, how did he know? Your explanation cannot include a witness.
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I always said there could be a number of situations for the husbands jealousy, you were adamant that she had to be pregnant and that’s not the case.
 
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ElishaElijah said:
I always said there could be a number of situations for the husbands jealousy, you were adamant that she had to be pregnant and that’s not the case.
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Okay, we agree, there could be several. But no, I am not adamant that she had to be pregnant, that is merely the context of the test. But it is interesting that you could not find a way for the husband to know that his wife cheated on him aside from the pregnancy issue.
 
ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
Okay, we agree, there could be several. But no, I am not adamant that she had to be pregnant, that is merely the context of the test. But it is interesting that you could not find a way for the husband to know that his wife cheated on him aside from the pregnancy issue.
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There’s a lot of ways if you think about it, she could be flirtatious, start acting different, an evil report about his wife from someone, or the guy is just jealous for no reason. But glad we can agree on some things.
 
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ElishaElijah said:
There’s a lot of ways if you think about it, she could be flirtatious, start acting different, an evil report about his wife from someone, or the guy is just jealous for no reason. But glad we can agree on some things.
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Those would only be good for a faint suspicion, but it seems to me at least that the husband has a lot more than that. And no, an "evil report" would not cut it. The passage stipulates that there were no witnesses.
 
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ElishaElijah said:
No witnesses means they weren’t caught in the act. People could see someone go to the house, in public and make up a story or spread a rumor.
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Are you sure about that? I would think that the rules of that time might be more like that of modern day Islam where in some countries women are "guilty" merely be being in the same room as men.

At any rate that is besides the point. Lets go over what the passage actually means in its entirety. Do you have a favorite translation?
 
ElishaElijah

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Really? You do not want to learn how you are wrong? I was hoping for an actual proper discussion.
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God is pro-life and says choose life:
““See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.””
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
God is pro-life and says choose life:
““See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.””
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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There is nothing in there about God being prolife. You seem to forget how this God of yours both ordered and performed directly immoral acts of genocide. You are also conflating being "prolife" with being anti-abortion. They are not one and the same. In fact most people that are pro-choice are far more prolife than most anti-abortion people.
 
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