Is ISIS a disaster for all muslims?

[Looncall]

Them atrocities being committed by ISIS and similar groups are horrifying the non-muslim world.

People will now be suspicious of their muslim neighbours: would they do such things if they thought they could get away with them?

Young muslims leaving peaceful places like Canada to join such groups reinforces the negative impression of islam that the jihadis are producing.

Will things be worse for muslims than they would be without the jihadist groups?

 

[xkatz]

Will things be worse for muslims than they would be without the jihadist groups?

Seeing that Muslims are the primary target for groups like ISIS (for the time being at least), yes.

 

[Sees]

There is no doubt that it makes Islam look bad, that isn't to say whether it is right or wrong to judge religions or ideologies based on member behavior - is what it is though. I still think we are lacking the Muslim condemnation of Islamist extremist crazies and religious violent political movements that is very necessary. There are many Muslim fence-sitters in the western world and positive propaganda is needed.

Islam is more easily weaponized than most religious traditions and that aspect of it needs to eventually be cut loose or at least deeply buried and forgotten - strongly vocally condemned when it does spawn another group or even when it's preached lightly in a Quiet Town mosque around the corner.

Being overly PC and brushing off the negative or dangerous aspects isn't intelligent.

 

[Godobeyer]

I still think we are lacking the Muslim condemnation of Islamist extremist crazies and religious violent political movements that is very necessary. There are many Muslim fence-sitters in the western world and positive propaganda is needed.

you think ?

 

[Nakosis]

Only if they lose.
If they win, it's Allah's will.
The victorious write history.
Like the killing of the Canaanites...

 

[Nakosis]

There is no doubt that it makes Islam look bad, that isn't to say whether it is right or wrong to judge religions or ideologies based on member behavior - is what it is though. I still think we are lacking the Muslim condemnation of Islamist extremist crazies and religious violent political movements that is very necessary. There are many Muslim fence-sitters in the western world and positive propaganda is needed.

Perhaps many secretly hope they win. It'd kind of justify Islam wouldn't it?

Might makes right.

 

[Sees]

you think ?

I know and think, depending on which part of the post. I don't hear or see enough of the condemnation and the fence-sitters and sympathizers are not hard to find...some monitored regularly (sympathizers)

 

[metis]

There is no doubt that it makes Islam look bad, that isn't to say whether it is right or wrong to judge religions or ideologies based on member behavior - is what it is though. I still think we are lacking the Muslim condemnation of Islamist extremist crazies and religious violent political movements that is very necessary. There are many Muslim fence-sitters in the western world and positive propaganda is needed.

Islam is more easily weaponized than most religious traditions and that aspect of it needs to eventually be cut loose or at least deeply buried and forgotten - strongly vocally condemned when it does spawn another group or even when it's preached lightly in a Quiet Town mosque around the corner.

Being overly PC and brushing off the negative or dangerous aspects isn't intelligent.

Very good post, imo. We certainly should not blame all or most Muslems for the actions of ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. However, as you say, the silence from more moderate Muslems is deafening.

 

[Godobeyer]

I know and think, depending on which part of the post. I don't hear or see enough of the condemnation and the fence-sitters and sympathizers are not hard to find...some monitored regularly (sympathizers)

since i am here , i posted hunderd of post against the groups terrorists, and posted many thread about this , don't ever read once of them ?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I still think we are lacking the Muslim condemnation of Islamist extremist crazies and religious violent political movements that is very necessary.

It took all of 10 seconds to find this and similar commentary. Did you even look?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And here.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And here.

 

[Godobeyer]

It took all of 10 seconds to find this and similar commentary. Did you even look?

:clap


you deserve a frubal for this

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

since i am here , i posted hunderd of post against the groups terrorists, and posted many thread about this , don't ever read once of them ?

And you for ^this. :clap

 

[Godobeyer]

And you for ^this. :clap

Thanks , accuatly sometimes i find some of your posts , fair and justice .

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Thanks , accuatly sometimes i find some of your posts , fair and justice .

If I didn't respect you as a Muslim, I'd swear that you've been drinking too much.

 

[xkatz]

I don't hear or see enough of the condemnation and the fence-sitters and sympathizers are not hard to find.

I don't think a simple condemnation from Muslims is going to stop ISIS, let alone do much of anything. Especially seeing that the IS believes many Muslims are kufr.

 

[Godobeyer]

If I didn't respect you as a Muslim, I'd swear that you've been drinking too much.

you don't need to be swear , you drunk me

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

TBH I don't see much difference in religious fundamentalist, regardless of the religion. There is a difference between christians in the U.S. and muslims in many parts of the world, but that difference does not appear to be any lack of desire to destroy 'evil,' whatever that supposed evil may be.

The difference, admittedly I have a lot to learn, seems to be a stronger secular government and population that pushes back harder than the fundamentalists. I do not know, but in other parts of the world it may be harder to push against the fundamentalists.

Haters are going to hate, lovers are going to love, and most people are going to sit on their **** and keep their mouths shut.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

TBH I don't see much difference in religious fundamentalist, regardless of the religion. ...

Haters are going to hate, ...

Is it accurate that you do not find equating "religious fundamentalists" with "haters" as prejudiced and hateful?