dawny0826
Mother Heathen
On a large-scale, I don't think so. I think it's a waste of time. On a personal scale, I believe it's very important for people to seek the proof they need to accept or reject God.
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Is it important to know if God is real or not?
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On a large-scale, I don't think so. I think it's a waste of time. On a personal scale, I believe it's very important for people to seek the proof they need to accept or reject God.
averageJOE
zombie
I think for a lot of people the belief in god if very important, mainly for peace of mind. People find comfort in the belief that their soul and the souls of their loved ones are taken care of after death.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I was speaking of the inherent worth of knowledge, especially reliable knowkedge, not material gains.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
No it is not important at all simply because belief in "god" is more about faith than it is about proving anything. My own thinking is that those who believe they have personal evidence of "god" touching their lives are merely stating that they have felt something that defies their thinking and quickly assume that the source is from "god". Most would likely refuse to accept that their experience was generated by any other source, so there is a bit of a disconnect involved as all other possibilities are shunted to the side.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
I was talking about the same thing. So you can't only poke it with a stick; it still seem somewhat materialistic.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
I'll have to get back to you, off to work now
themadhair
Well-Known Member
I could not disagree more strongly given that his word is very much mistaken on a few points.
SilvaMo0n
I bite!
By His word, I meant the bible.
themadhair
Well-Known Member
So did I.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
It is to me.
Important to prove it to someone else? No.
If it were possible, it would probably be important. Since it's not, it isn't.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
Even so, that does not mean actualizing "God" is an important factor. For all we know, it is God's intent that we never know God.
Btw, thanks for the response.
blackout
Violet.
There is no question that my gOd exists,
as my gOd IS in fact, the ALL of existence.
Many of course, will protest the varacity or necessitiy of my definition,
stating that "gOd" must be some OTHER thing, or person or idea.
"Why call 'every-thing' gOd anyway?"
But that is far beyond the scope of this thead's question.
I will say though that,
If certain of my speculations about that gOd are incorrect,
(ie the nature of every-thing's connectedness/Oneness)
it will have made no difference.
(beyond the asthetic quality of my own lifetime as Violet)
It also makes no difference to me weather anyone feels
my definition of gOd is a real or relevant one.
What does it matter to me?
We each define our own life.
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smitten508
Member
Indeed ultraviolet, excellent post!
And Katzpur, great statement!
Those 2 posts prior sum up my 2 cents on the issue... Is it important to prove God exists? Only to me, I can't guide anyone else to Divinity.
And Katzpur, great statement!
Those 2 posts prior sum up my 2 cents on the issue... Is it important to prove God exists? Only to me, I can't guide anyone else to Divinity.
riverfox
A slave of Allah (swt)
Actually God wants everybody to search (by thinking) for him and know him,
We will show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?
[Al-Qur'an.41:53]
also puts it as test and its result will be in the hereafter,
Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs? Woe unto each sinful liar,He hears the Signs of Allah rehearsed to him, yet is obstinate and lofty, as if he had not heard them: then announce to him a Penalty Grievous! And when he learns something of Our Signs, he takes them in jest: for such there will be a humiliating Penalty.In front of them is Hell: and of no profit to them is anything they may have earned, nor any protectors they may have taken to themselvesbesides Allah: for them is a tremendous Penalty.This is (true) Guidance and for those who reject the Signs of their Lord, is a grievous Penalty of abomination.
[Al-Qur'an.45:2-11]
Then, as to those who believed and did righteous deeds, their Lord will admit them to His Mercy that will be the achievement for all to see.But as to those who rejected Allah, (to them will be said): "Were not Our Signs rehearsed to you? But ye were arrogant, and were apeople given to sin!
[In the same chapter.Verses 30-31]
sings of God make up a big part of the Qur'an, and also God says in tens of verses of sings in the Glorious Qur'an like after showing a sign of God in the same chapter:
Behold, in that are Signs indeed for those who reflect.
You have to think and search for God,and i know that the question "why do i have to ?" is what this thread is all about.
I believe that you know that there is a posibility that the Hereafter will take place.
And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture:
[Verse 24 of the same chapter]
Thus,realizing the posibility of being responsible or rewarded\punished for what you believe is why you should know\search for God.
You and all people will choose one of two things,As God wills it's a test.
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the mosttrustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth allthings.
[Al-Quran.2:256]
These things are:
a.Investigate the signs of God and his true message that God will\does show you,as i quoted God says "until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth".And God guides only those who are seeking the truth.
b.Do like what all thoese who died as none-believers did,as i quoted from chapter 45:He hears the Signs of Allah rehearsed to him, yet is obstinate and lofty, as if he had not heard them.And: "And when he learns something of Our Signs, he takes them in jest".
You're welcome Jeremiah,it's your right to know and my duty to tell.
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Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
There is no question that my gOd exists,
as my gOd IS in fact, the ALL of existence.
Many of course, will protest the varacity or necessitiy of my definition,
stating that "gOd" must be some OTHER thing, or person or idea.
"Why call 'every-thing' gOd anyway?"
But that is far beyond the scope of this thead's question.
I will say though that,
If certain of my speculations about that gOd are incorrect,
(ie the nature of every-thing's connectedness/Oneness)
it will have made no difference.
(beyond the asthetic quality of my own lifetime as Violet)
It also makes no difference to me weather anyone feels
my definition of gOd is a real or relevant one.
What does it matter to me?
We each define our own life.
"It also makes no difference to me weather anyone feels
my definition of gOd is a real or relevant one.
What does it matter to me?
We each define our own life."
Seems like an indulgence in the ego to me.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
"Thus,realizing the posibility of being responsible or rewarded\punished for what you believe is why you should know\search for God. "
"I believe that you know that there is a posibility that the Hereafter will take place."
But this is motivation of fear.