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Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do?
- Thread starter Beaudreaux
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Draka
Wonder Woman
And why is George Carlin's observations and opinions so unworthy of any respect to you? The man WAS Catholic you know. He WAS religious during a good part of his life. It was his searching and thoughts and logic that brought him to the findings it did. Just because he shared those findings in the format he did does not discount their validity. What makes them good comedy was that they are RIGHT and said in such a manner that no one would address before. It was slap-in-the-face observations that were so right they just left you standing in awe like "duh, he's RIGHT!"
The fact that you can only argue all the points brought up in this thread that totally discount your argument, no matter where they come from or who, by trashing a man who was a great actor, comedian and an all around great MIND just shows how low you will sink to avoid facing the facts piling up against you...and it's pathetic.
Draka
Wonder Woman
So, you're saying that because of his job, nothing he said could have been accurate? My goodness man, have you never heard of any kind of comedy that is done by bringing out the obvious that no one addresses? It's funny because it's right. It's funny because of how one phrases it in such a blunt way. doesn't mean there's no validity to it.
And again, you fail to actually address points or facts, you just dismiss people. This has become so typical for you. It seems you have completely disregarded my previous post addressed to you as well. and even if you do now I highly doubt you will actually address the points made with any real thought or sincerity.
It simply isn't entertaining anymore to try to educate you...you don't want to learn.
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d) God's plan includes free will
e) God's plan is flexible
f) God sacrifices parts of His plan to free will
All equally valid possibilities with the three you put forth...
Once again...
c) God did not change, our perception of Him did
d) God did not change, your belief that He did is incorrect the OT God is plenty forgiving
e) God did not change, have you read Revelations?
c) Your self-quoted post is wrong.
d) Some say Hell is not the absence of God, but His ultimate love, as is heaven, and that it is how we react to it that determines whether we experience bliss or torment
e) God didn't save us to guilt trip us into serving Him, He did it because He loves us and wanted to heal us.
Honestly, I'm suprised I had to actually write a retort to that...
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Draka
Wonder Woman
I didn't realize the bible was supposed to be a work of comedy.
I dismiss the bible because it makes no logical sense and has nothing to back it up. YOU are again ignoring points in favor of ridiculing their source. Again, if something is based in logic and contains facts then it is worthy of discussion. Shoot man, if we can discuss the points in the bible, most of which make no logical sense, then why can't you discuss logical facts from other sources? YOU simply don't want to discuss that which proves you wrong. Plain and simple. Hopeless case. Goodbye.
Mister Emu gladly went through your "facts". Yet you are somehow blind to that.
God is ‘The First and the Last, The Beginning and End, The Alpha and Omega, The Father and Son,’ and all is one being who encompasses not only all space, but also all time, and we are, that which is within the eternal who is both the beginning of our existence and the end.
The Alpha who was in the beginning and has become the Omega, didn’t have a clue as to what you would do, but the Omega who is the spirit that develops within the body of man (The Son Of Man, and the Most High in the creation) who is the end result of this cycle of universal activity, knows everything that you have done or will ever do, as He is the end result of our actions.
And so my friend, come fly with me
To the outer limits of reality
This universe though wide it seems
Is but the shadow of His dreams
We are naught but knowledge in these tents
Rrefined through pain and punishment
We're the hive of Man and neath His Rod
We are one, we're the Son of God
The past, the present, the future is He
He was, He is and He will be
For heaven is, but a point in time
To where the spirit in Man must climb
Eventually, when He's there at last
And stands and Gazes on His past
And takes the throne prepared in heaven
Then all His past will be forgiven.
I am who I am, the die is cast
For I was created by my past
And we who we are this very day
Determines His future in every way
If my past were changed, then who would I be?
One thing is certain, I wouldn't be Me....By S-word.
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Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
You keep saying this as though wishing it will make it true. I honestly am not sure how to get through to you. Perhaps the words of someone you respect will help (emphasis added).
Originally Posted by Enoch07
Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do? No
So you see, according to Enoch07, "in any given situation, it is impossible for you to do anything other than what God knows you will do". Do you see now?
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Unless of course there is no God. That would mean everyone could excercise free will and we'd all be searching for meaning in different ways.
Hey....waiiiiiit a minute! That's how things are now! [moment of revelation]
Hey if that what you want to believe thats fine. No one is stopping you. But that does not give you the right to claim it as fact.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
This entire thread is filled with cogent argument after cogent argument. It has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to you several times. You even stated in your own words that free will is impossible with God. How dare you accuse everyone ELSE on this thread of not backing up what they say. You offer no rational argument for the coexistence of free will and an omniscient God whatsoever.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Right? Of course I have the right to claim it as a fact. What are you talking about? Watch this.
IT IS A FACT THAT THERE IS NO GOD!
No police are coming to arrest me. I am still sitting at my desk typing happily away. Do you know why? Because the exact opposite of what you said is true. I am GUARANTEED the right to claim that it is a fact that there is no God. I live in the good ole USA.
Comicaze247
See the previous line
Oh the irony :biglaugh:
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
i agree with all that except i dont know its obvious we have free will. it could be an illusion, or not
Some statements made by comedians should be taken seriously. If you can make people laugh while making a valid point at the same time, that is sometimes the most effective realization.