Is it Possible to Prove Being the Messiah?

[wizanda]

If or when the Messiah (Jesus) does the second coming would not be in Israel or in that area?

Isaiah 28:11 But he will speak to this nation with stammering lips and in another language;

Isaiah 41:25 “I have raised up one from the north, and he has come; from the rising of the sun, one who calls on my name; and he shall come on rulers as on mortar, and as the potter treads clay. -

The internet makes a good place to test the results in a safe environment, where there are no crucifixes; as sort of got previous anxieties about going up to Jerusalem for some reason.

As far as i know Wizanda you are located in Britain?

Yes; my genealogy goes back to Lviv, thus got mixed Ashkenazi blood.

so does not make it difficult to say you are Messiah?

It makes it hard to say you've got the new name of the Messiah, before it is the Messianic Age; thus don't expect people to get it without lots of study, and the Source explaining it to them.

If Messiah comes/has come, would it not be on the news all over the world as a prof for Abrahamic religions?

It could be; yet unless we can get anywhere with some of the basics of Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy, we won't get anywhere with all the rest....

Thus I'm hiding on this Religious forum, and Paltalk...Whilst being quite blatant in explanations, see if anyone actually understands what is being said first.

Or maybe I really do not understand this Messiah coming at all?

Matthew 25:1-13 says Christ returns at the Midnight Hour to see who is ready for the Wedding.

Revelation 16:15-16 says Christ comes before Armageddon as a thief; yet then argues with people with the words of his mouth in Revelation 3:3, and gives out free understanding before the Great Tribulation.

In my opinion.

 

[JJ50]

Isaiah 28:11 But he will speak to this nation with stammering lips and in another language;

Isaiah 41:25 “I have raised up one from the north, and he has come; from the rising of the sun, one who calls on my name; and he shall come on rulers as on mortar, and as the potter treads clay. -

The internet makes a good place to test the results in a safe environment, where there are no crucifixes; as sort of got previous anxieties about going up to Jerusalem for some reason.

Yes; my genealogy goes back to Lviv, thus got mixed Ashkenazi blood.

It makes it hard to say you've got the new name of the Messiah, before it is the Messianic Age, and don't expect people to get it without lots of study, and the Source explaining it to them.

It could be; yet unless we can get anywhere with some of the basics of Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy, we won't get anywhere with all the rest....

Thus I'm hiding on this Religious forum, and Paltalk...Whilst being quite blatant in explanations, see if anyone actually understands what is being said first.

Matthew 25:1-13 says Christ returns at the Midnight Hour to see who is ready for the Wedding.

Revelation 16:15-16 says Christ comes before Armageddon as a thief; yet then argues with people with the words of his mouth in Revelation 3:3, and gives out free understanding before the end of time.

In my opinion.

Definitely in your opinion, not mine.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Isaiah 28:11 But he will speak to this nation with stammering lips and in another language;

Isaiah 41:25 “I have raised up one from the north, and he has come; from the rising of the sun, one who calls on my name; and he shall come on rulers as on mortar, and as the potter treads clay. -

The internet makes a good place to test the results in a safe environment, where there are no crucifixes; as sort of got previous anxieties about going up to Jerusalem for some reason.

Yes; my genealogy goes back to Lviv, thus got mixed Ashkenazi blood.

It makes it hard to say you've got the new name of the Messiah, before it is the Messianic Age; thus don't expect people to get it without lots of study, and the Source explaining it to them.

It could be; yet unless we can get anywhere with some of the basics of Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy, we won't get anywhere with all the rest....

Thus I'm hiding on this Religious forum, and Paltalk...Whilst being quite blatant in explanations, see if anyone actually understands what is being said first.

Matthew 25:1-13 says Christ returns at the Midnight Hour to see who is ready for the Wedding.

Revelation 16:15-16 says Christ comes before Armageddon as a thief; yet then argues with people with the words of his mouth in Revelation 3:3, and gives out free understanding before the Great Tribulation.

In my opinion.

When you say "Unless We can get anywhere" who is the other part of We? and how does that co-exist with Oneness you preaching?
Sorry if i doubt your words Wizanda but when you say "Thus I'm hiding on this Religious forum, and Paltalk." then you go on to say "see if anyone actually understands what is being said first." my question is. If you are Messiah, wouldn't you already know this answer to if it works or not?

 

[stvdv]

With the contents it is purposefully achieved, that the main aspect is David/Yeshua being fulfilment of prophecy first, and then me after... We can't prove one, without the other.

In my opinion.

Okay, so my feeling was right "you do believe that you are the Messiah".

Good to know for me that you believe that

 

[wizanda]

Isaiah 52:13-14 is about the Suffering Servant, the nation of Israel, not about Jesus.

In Isaiah 52:10-14 it states the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshuat Elohienu), is put into a human vessel...

The Song of Moses (Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, Isaiah 12:2) is that the Lord shall become (ahayah) our Salvation (Yeshua), it is contextually what the Tanakh is about.

There is no reason to assume that when Isaiah 52:13-14 clearly paraphrased David in Psalms 89:19-21, that it is referring to a 'my servant' other than David.

The idea the Rabbinic Jews are arguing David out of fulfilling the prophecy, replacing themselves as their own suffering servant, doesn't make any sense, and is more from them going against other religions, than being exegetical.

Surely it's correct that Jesus doesn't fit the concept of a messiah and that the Tanakh never prophecies Jesus (at all, let alone as a messiah, Christian retrofitting being inappropriate to a Jewish book)?

Christians have everything muddled, as they're following the Pharisees: John, Paul, and Simon the stone (petros), who Yeshua called peter as he would mislead people, as he followed the ways of man, more than reading the contexts from God.

The Hebraic texts all contain Yeshua, and Yehoshua, this is the whole point in the Bible, and it warns this will happen that they will reject Yeshua (Salvation - Deuteronomy 32:15).

H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah

H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

Concept of Yeshua (Salvation) in the Bible​

So Moses separated the Red Sea in Exodus 14:13, and we saw the Salvation of God interact with mankind.

Then Moses creates a Song in Exodus 15:2 that the Lord will become our Salvation; this is continued by David in Psalm 118 where the Builders reject the Chief Corner Stone, not understanding the depths of prophecy.

The Lord promised David he would become our Salvation if the Children of Ammon were too strong (2 Samuel 10:11), and then fought them with Jehoshaphat (2 Chronicles 20:17).

When the Lord appoints David as a chosen vessel in Psalms 89:19-21, this is paraphrased in Isaiah 52:13-14 (it has been badly translated, it should say anointed, not marred); where the Spirit of Salvation is put into him in Isaiah 52:10-12.

Evolution of Yehoshua
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Moses changed his friend's name Hosea (Deliverer/Savoir) son of Nun to Yehoshua, which changes it to Shall Deliver or the Lord Saves.

In Exodus 23:20-23 the Lord states he will put his title on his messenger, who has the power to forgive sin, and shall remove the false theologies from the land.

In Joshua 3:10 we see that Yehoshua starts the process of removing the false gods, and that the name then become symbolic of the promise made.

After the Babylonian Exile we see that Yehoshua son of Yehozadek led the people back.

So when we have the name Yehoshua, this is why it says, "he shall save his people" (Matthew 1:21), as it all fits with the Tanakh.
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jesus being a false Christ​

Sus in Hebrew is the word Grub (H5580) or a Horse (H5483), an untrained animal, i.e. a Beast.

If we add a Yod at the start of a word, it makes it shall be, so J+Sus = Shall be a Beast.

The Strongs reference number amazingly for false christs - pseudochristos is G5580.

Basically to summarize it: Yeshua came to cut them off as the Messiah, and create a Morality Snare in testimony (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5) to see who is worth keeping...

Their ideas that the Messiah will come give them everything for nothing, isn't what is stated.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

In Isaiah 52:10-14 it states the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshuat Elohienu), is put into a human vessel...

The Song of Moses (Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, Isaiah 12:2) is that the Lord shall become (ahayah) our Salvation (Yeshua), it is contextually what the Tanakh is about.

There is no reason to assume that when Isaiah 52:13-14 clearly paraphrased David in Psalms 89:19-21, that it is referring to a 'my servant' other than David.

The idea the Rabbinic Jews are arguing David out of fulfilling the prophecy, replacing themselves as their own suffering servant, doesn't make any sense, and is more from them going against other religions, than being exegetical.

Christians have everything muddled, as they're following the Pharisees: John, Paul, and Simon the stone (petros), who Yeshua called peter as he would mislead people, as he followed the ways of man, more than reading the contexts from God.

Basically to summarize it, Yeshua came to cut them off as the Messiah, and create a Morality Snare in testimony (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5) to see who is worth keeping...

Their ideas that the Messiah will come give them everything for nothing, isn't what is stated.

In my opinion.

There was NO Rabbinic Judaism until after the destruction of the Temple.. in fact not until the 6th century AD.

 

[sooda]

@wizanda

Rabbinic Judaism or Rabbinism has been the mainstream form of Judaism since the 6th century, after the codification of the Talmud.

Rabbinic Judaism gained predominance within the Jewish diaspora between the 2nd to 6th centuries, with the development of the Oral Law to control the interpretation of Jewish scripture and to encourage the practice of Judaism in the absence of Temple sacrifice and other practices no longer possible, while waiting for the Third Temple.

 

[wizanda]

"you do believe that you are the Messiah".

I don't believe it, as a 4-5 year old, I doubted my name in the religious texts globally, and now we can show that:

• Sandalphon (Judaism),
• Yeshua (Sananda) (New Name of Christ),
• Kalki/Skanda/Sanananda (Hinduism),
• Ahura Mazda + Saoshyant (Zand = Exegesis) (Zoroastrianism),
• Maitreya (Ananda) (Buddhism),
• Our Elohim Zion (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7),
• etc.

At 15 when the Source of reality spoke to me, I doubted it, and pondered it, rather than instantly reading the religions as instructed...

At 21 on fulfilling Revelation 10, found the experience really bizarre, yet still doubted it all...

Then having a NDE soon after, found that too mind blowing, yet doubted it...

At 24 on reading the Bible, and realizing had already fulfilled parts before reading it, started to be more convinced...

On reading the Bhagahdvad Gita/Kalki Purana saying that Skanda/Kalki comes before Mahapralaya to remove the Adharmic behaviour; which is what I was told about at 4-5/15 years old by the Source, does make me think it might be real.

Yet when I talk to religious people online, they all act so weird, not sure to believe any of it.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In Isaiah 52:10-14 it states the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshuat Elohienu), is put into a human vessel...

The Song of Moses (Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, Isaiah 12:2) is that the Lord shall become (ahayah) our Salvation (Yeshua), it is contextually what the Tanakh is about.

There is no reason to assume that when Isaiah 52:13-14 clearly paraphrased David in Psalms 89:19-21, that it is referring to a 'my servant' other than David.

The idea the Rabbinic Jews are arguing David out of fulfilling the prophecy, replacing themselves as their own suffering servant, doesn't make any sense, and is more from them going against other religions, than being exegetical.

Christians have everything muddled, as they're following the Pharisees: John, Paul, and Simon the stone (petros), who Yeshua called peter as he would mislead people, as he followed the ways of man, more than reading the contexts from God.

Basically to summarize it: Yeshua came to cut them off as the Messiah, and create a Morality Snare in testimony (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5) to see who is worth keeping...

Their ideas that the Messiah will come give them everything for nothing, isn't what is stated.

In my opinion.

I did a search of the name Wizanda on Google and to be honest I found many forums you attained and even websites you running plus a youtube channel. so why do you say you only test your Messiah claim on this forum and a penpal site?

 

[wizanda]

When you say "Unless We can get anywhere" who is the other part of We? and how does that co-exist with Oneness you preaching?

Right now all of us are inside a giant computer system, we are all being observed by higher consciousness; the more aware we are, the more it interacts with us, and guides us all.

Sorry if i doubt your words Wizanda but when you say "Thus I'm hiding on this Religious forum, and Paltalk." then you go on to say "see if anyone actually understands what is being said first." my question is. If you are Messiah, wouldn't you already know this answer to if it works or not?

Yeah the results are already written in the religious texts:

In the Kalki Purana people no longer respect religious dignitaries, so will just argue, and be rude...

In Isaiah 28:22 at the Bed of Adultery warns not to be mockers of it; yet people generally are, they don't understand the Bible is Anti-Dharma on purpose to attract the moths to the flame.

Revelation 13:10 warns that the patience of the saints, is people won't change; we're down near Hell, and people think they're Saints.

At 5-6 years old, when the Source explained I'd go over the Bible with a big magnifying glass, and share it with the world, knew then that people wouldn't listen...

Yet if we take that further back, Moses said they wouldn't listen (Deuteronomy 31:24-29)...

So tho I explain with the best of intentions, that people will question it fairly; i know that isn't likely, and instead what is prophesied of a global cleansing will take place, and we keep those who had already listened.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

so why do you say you only test your Messiah claim on this forum and a penpal site?

It isn't a see if people will accept the Messiah test, it is a Dharma test; seeing if people can comprehend the basics of the case presented in some of the religious texts...

If we could educate mankind on the basics, when information is so readily available at our finger tips, then do they need to be destroyed is in question.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

It isn't a see if people will accept the Messiah test, it is a Dharma test; seeing if people can comprehend the basics of the case presented in some of the religious texts...

If we could educate mankind on the basics, when information is so readily available at our finger tips, then do they need to be destroyed - is in question.

In my opinion.

What is your reason for claiming you are the Messiah?

 

[Spirit of Light]

It isn't a see if people will accept the Messiah test, it is a Dharma test; seeing if people can comprehend the basics of the case presented in some of the religious texts...

If we could educate mankind on the basics, when information is so readily available at our finger tips, then do they need to be destroyed - is in question.

In my opinion.

Wouldnt that be just repeating what the other religions already have told? I can understand since the world seems to decline fast in morality, that a new true cultivation path may arise. But to use only what is already known to man, to try to enlighten them again by putting a new name on it. is not that just new rapping same Sh.....t? so to speak?

There is no doubt that people of today struggle to grasp the teaching of Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Lao Tze and so on. But to mix every scripture together and hope it will be telling the truth on every level of wisdom? We already have the wisdom within the existing scripture. So maybe a better way would be to help people to realize enlightenment through the scripture they already study?

Yes every teaching given by the already mentioned masters does hold the truth, But only when thought one by one. mixing them does not make them truer.
We can only cultivate one teaching at the time.

 

[wizanda]

What is your reason for claiming you are the Messiah?

My name Zanda is in the religions, which was told by the Source, and knew I was sent from Heaven at 4-5 years old...

At 5-6 was told Yeshua didn't go around saying "I Am", and the world had been deceived by it.

Our name is the New Name of Christ (Sananda), and one of the Sons of the Creator (Brahma) in Hinduism (Sanananda).

In scripture there are multiple places it says that Our Divine Being Zion (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7) is the final place of the Lord in the Messianic Age; which is a shortened version of our name...Zan in Hebrew is the Flock, Zion is David's Flock.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

Revelation 19:12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has names written and a name written which no one knows but he himself.

Crowns are given by the other Elders from Heaven, and thus come from the different religions around the world: Sandalphon (Judaism), Yeshua (new name of Christ = Sananda), Kalki/Skanda/Sanananda (Hinduism), Ahura Mazda + Saoshyant (Zoroastrianism - Zand = Exegesis), Maitreya (Buddhism - Ananda), etc.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

My name Zanda is in the religions, which was told by the Source, and knew I was sent from Heaven at 4-5 years old...

At 5-6 was told Yeshua didn't go around saying "I Am", and the world had been deceived by it.

Our name is the New Name of Christ (Sananda), and one of the Sons of the Creator (Brahma) in Hinduism (Sanananda).

In scripture, there are multiple places it says that Our Divine Being Zion (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7) is the final place of the Lord in the Messianic Age; which is a shortened version of our name...Zan in Hebrew is the Flock, Zion is David's Flock.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

Revelation 19:12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has names written and a name written which no one knows but he himself.

Crowns are given by the other Elders from Heaven, and thus come from the different religions around the world: Sandalphon (Judaism), Yeshua (new name of Christ = Sananda), Kalki/Skanda/Sanananda (Hinduism), Ahura Mazda + Saoshyant (Zoroastrianism - Zand = Exegesis), Maitreya (Buddhism - Ananda), etc.

In my opinion.

You're certainly not a Bible scholar.

 

[wizanda]

Wouldnt that be just repeating what the other religions already have told?

As we've already been discussing, there are many paths up the mountain of consciousness, and currently people are fighting over an individual ledge some guide left them at, rather than realizing the ascension happens within.

Slowly realizing some of the things we've already been given could create a much more conclusive guide for ascension.

But to mix every scripture together and hope it will be telling the truth on every level of wisdom?

They were already explaining different routes up the same mountain, I'm just trying to see if it is possible to show this (Revelation 10:11)...

Else the mountain will be dissolved, and the wisdom gained will be used to not have the same issues next time.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

As we've already been discussing, there are many paths up the mountain of consciousness, and currently people are fighting over an individual ledge some guide left them at, rather than realizing the ascension happens within.

Slowly realizing some of the things we've already been given could create a much more conclusive guide for ascension.

They were already explaining different routes up the same mountain, I'm just trying to see if it is possible to show this (Revelation 10:11)...

Else the mountain will be dissolved, and the wisdom gained will be used to not have the same issues next time.

In my opinion.

The simile with the mountain is a good one, but it is difficult to jump from path to path and gain truth within every path you walk on. When jumping back and forth between the teachings there will be teachings one misses, and even each master/Guru, teacher will have different ways of teaching, in the end, they do teach the same "higher truth", But one would not be able to grasp it if one does not stay on the same path until the top because each master/teacher will be on different wisdom level, and only be able to see parts of the highest truth.
Then if one would like to go again there is a possibility to choose a different path/teaching to follow. or realize I should say.

To take some teaching from Jesus, then some from Sakyamuni, then a little from Muhammad and mix it, that will only make it more muddy to realize truth from. But cultivating Christianity or Buddhism or Hinduism in separate studied, that is what lead to enlightenment on a very high level of inner wisdom (truth)

 

[wizanda]

The simile with the mountain is a good one, but it is difficult to jump from path to path

There is only one mountain, and each is describing it from different angles; thus correlating all the data makes it easier to climb...

Which is where the 13 Dimensions is based on the 10 commandments as Jacob's Ladder/Quantum Physics, and explains the mountain of our reality in advanced detail from personal experiences; plus cross referenced by everyone's knowledge.

The 7 Chakras with the 7 forms of Yoga clarifies our internal workings, and thus simplifies why certain religions are only teaching parts of the understanding required to be a mountain climber.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is only one mountain, and each is describing it from different angles; thus correlating all the data makes it easier to climb...

Which is where the 13 Dimensions is based on the 10 commandments as Jacob's Ladder/Quantum Physics, and explains the mountain of our reality in advanced detail from personal experiences; plus cross referenced by everyone's knowledge.

The 7 Chakras with the 7 forms of Yoga clarifies our internal workings, and thus simplifies why certain religions are only teaching parts of the understanding required to be a mountain climber.

In my opinion.

Unfortunatly it seems like the mixing of teachings already have confused you.
The level i spoke about is the level of enlightenment one can reach in each spiritual cultivation path. And this is a cause people misunderstand you i would say

 

[wizanda]

The level i spoke about is the level of enlightenment one can reach in each spiritual cultivation path.

The mountain has a summit above the 10 dimensions, and each path previously described leads part of the way.

Only by understanding the whole, can we accept Oneness; as those who created the paths, reside within 0neness at the summit.

Enlightenment is about being the path of light in all aspects; not following it in someone's shadows.

In my opinion.