Is it Possible to Prove Being the Messiah?

[ChristineM]

The Messianic Age did not start two thousand years ago, and neither did Yeshua say it was back then; he told his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ, as it wasn't his time, and when we look at the parables of the Wedding Banquet, the Engagement party at the midnight hour- these are all future events of the Messianic Age being prophesied.

Since the Bible is a legal book, we have to use the Law to establish the case legitimately, and as saying I can show the case to prove it...

The problem is people don't deal with it as a legal matter, thus we have to remember that John, Paul, and Simon created Christianity, which is contradictory to Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, and therefore not submissible as legitimate evidence...

Therefore Yeshua was claiming the Messiah shall come at the Messianic Age... Thus even this idea he didn't fulfil all prophecy in one go, is a flawed conclusion of his statements & the Tanakh in the first place.

The Hebraic texts all contain Yeshua, and Yehoshua this is the whole point in the Bible, and it warns this will happen that they will reject Yeshua (Salvation - Deuteronomy 32:15).

H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah

H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

Concept of Yeshua in the Bible​

So Moses separated the Red Sea in Exodus 14:13, and we saw the Salvation of God interact with mankind.

Then Moses creates a Song in Exodus 15:2 that the Lord will become our Salvation; this is continued by David in Psalm 118 where the Builders reject the chief corner stone not understanding the depths of prophecy.

The Lord promised David he would become our Salvation if the Children of Ammon were too strong (2 Samuel 10:11), and then fought them with Jehoshaphat (2 Chronicles 20:17).

When the Lord appoints David as a chosen vessel in Psalms 89:19-21, this is paraphrased in Isaiah 52:13-14 (it has been badly translated, it should say anointed, not marred); where the Spirit of Salvation is put into him in Isaiah 52:10-12.

Evolution of Yehoshua
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Moses changed his friend's name Hosea (Deliverer/Savoir) son of Nun to Yehoshua, which changes it to the Shall Deliver or the Lord Saves.

In Exodus 23:20-23 the Lord states he will put his title on his messenger, who has the power to forgive sin, and shall remove the false theologies from the land.

In Joshua 3:10 we see that Yehoshua starts the process of removing the false gods, and that the name then become symbolic of the promise made.

After the Babylonian Exile we see that Yehoshua son of Yehozadek led the people back.

So when we have the name Yehoshua, this is why it says, "he shall save his people" (Matthew 1:21), as it all fits with the Tanakh.
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jesus being a false Christ​

Sus in Hebrew is the word Grub (H5580) or a Horse (H5483), an untrained animal, i.e. a Beast.

If we add a Yod at the start of a word, it makes it shall be, so J+Sus = Shall be a Beast.

The Strongs reference number amazingly for false christs - pseudochristos is G5580.


Thus it isn't jesus (beast) glasses, taken them off to realize how Yeshua is the Chief Corner Stone.

In my opinion.

The messianic prophecies are in the Torah and hence the Old Testament, compiled hundreds of years before Jesus hit the scene and are still open for completion


The bible is a legal book??? Wow

And i am not bothering with your filler fluff

So tell me, was Jesus (or whatever you want to call him,) directly descended from Ling David?

 

[Spartan]

The Messiah is human, he is from the line of David, in other words a Son of Man.... Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels calls himself a Son of Man, others called him a Son of God.

A Messiah is a king of Israel who is anointed with the Holy Oil, and then speaks as God's ambassador.

The idea the Messiah is superman isn't ever documented, it is whimsical thinking by us.... God does the miracles, and appoints the Messiah to rule.

In my opinion.

The Messiah is also God - see Jeremiah 23:5-6 - "Behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that I will raise to David a righteous Branch, and He will reign as King and act wisely, and shall do justice and righteousness in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely. And this is his name (by) which he shall be called, Jehovah our righteousness." (Jeremiah 23:5-6)

"This person, the "Branch" is literally called "Jehovah our righteousness." This indicates that Messiah is somehow "God" (Jehovah)."

"Rabbi Kimchi wrote, "By the righteous Branch is meant Messiah."

Of Whom does Jeremiah 23:5-6 speak?

Fits Jesus to a "T".

 

[wizanda]

Would you settle for being a Tzaddik?

I'd settle for being the Lord's servant in the Messianic Age; it is a privilege just to be on the guestlist.

Who cares about winning a bunch of people who were already cut off two thousand years ago; if they don't want to accept God's chosen Messiah, then what is prophesied is God removes them from reality.

In my opinion.

 

[Terry Sampson]

Dig up some dead people

Embalmed? unembalmed? or does it matter?

 

[wizanda]

The OT is pretty clear that the messiah is an anointed warrior king who will defeat the enemies of Israel. What do you want to argue?

Lets argue this point: show with evidence where the Messiah is stated to be the things you just said?

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

None of them are about Jesus.

As just posting, about Yeshua/Yehoshua, lets start with getting the name right contextually, then we can move onto more complex matters if you realize the Tanakh is about Yeshua/Salvation by definition.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

Was Ezekiel a messiah?

Tho Ezekiel would have been anointed as a prophet, he wasn't appointed as a King of Israel/Judah, so no he wouldn't be deemed a messiah.

The Messiah is a specific entity within the prophecies, that shall come in the Messianic Age, and fulfils certain bits to catch out the hypocrites before it takes place.

In my opinion.

 

[shmogie]

I don't think that guy Jesus was anymore of a Messiah than I am. He seemed to be a very human guy with faults and failings like the rest of us.

Name the faults and the failings.

I assure you, you are as close to Him as a squid is close to being a Heisman trophy winning star quarterback.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Tho Ezekiel would have been anointed as a prophet, he wasn't appointed as a King of Israel/Judah, so no he wouldn't be deemed a messiah.

The Messiah is a specific entity within the prophecies, that shall come in the Messianic Age, and fulfils certain bits to catch out the hypocrites before it takes place.

In my opinion.

according to this list there have been A LOT of Messiah in the world since Jewish time.
Did they all become Messiah? or are they all fake?

List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia

 

[wizanda]

Dig up some dead people with a medical doctor present and resurrect them, then I'll believe you're a god.

The idea the Messiah is God incarnate is idolatrous.

The Bible is badly translated because the Jews after Babylon didn't understand that El (God) is not like the Elohim (Divine Beings) - Isaiah 46:9.

So the Sanhedrin got confused with what Yeshua Elohim was saying, they thought he was claiming to be God, when he was stating he is an Archangel.

In my opinion.

 

[shmogie]

You are welcome to your belief but it is not strong enough to stand up in court. The only way jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies is by cherry picking those he did meet and ignoring the others.

Approaching the bible with jesus glasses does not change Jewish scripture.

Hmmmmmm, what court are you speaking of ? Do we use the normal rules of evidence ?

¨Cherry picking those He met.¨ A statement not found in evidence, so, prove it, with the evidence, not opinion.

Because He met the criteria of the Jewish scriptures, He is the Messiah. When you show evidence for your assertion, opinion, I will happily prove mine, with evidence.

 

[shmogie]

The idea the Messiah is God incarnate is idolatrous.

The Bible is badly translated because the Jews after Babylon didn't understand that El (God) is not like the Elohim (Divine Beings) - Isaiah 46:9.

So the Sanhedrin got confused with what Yeshua Elohim was saying, they thought he was claiming to be God, when he was stating he is an Archangel.

In my opinion.

No, He is God and stated such.

 

[shmogie]

It is said that Jesus did not fulfill many of the messianic prophecies.

Which ones ??

 

[shmogie]

The way to prove it would be to actually do amazing stuff. Fly in the air. Create 20 bodies of yourself simultaneously. Wave your hand and remove all guns from this planet. Volunteer for a firing squad, take 100 shots to the head, then get up and smile.

You're the son of God, after all. That kind of stuff should be simple for you.

Meant to be sarcastically funny, but with a grain of truth.

Christ said that He performed miracles as proof that He was who He said He was. They were his credentials of God.

 

[firedragon]

Tho Ezekiel would have been anointed as a prophet, he wasn't appointed as a King of Israel/Judah, so no he wouldn't be deemed a messiah.

The Messiah is a specific entity within the prophecies, that shall come in the Messianic Age, and fulfils certain bits to catch out the hypocrites before it takes place.

In my opinion.

But Ezekiel was also Son of man.

 

[firedragon]

Christ said that He performed miracles as proof that He was who He said He was. They were his credentials of God.

Where did Christ say this?

 

[JJ50]

Meant to be sarcastically funny, but with a grain of truth.

Christ said that He performed miracles as proof that He was who He said He was. They were his credentials of God.

We don't know for sure he said or did anything of the kind, what is reported in the Bible isn't any sort of evidence.

 

[shmogie]

There is no evidence the idea of a messiah is any more than a figment of the overactive human imagination.

There is no evidence for many things you probably believe, does that make them void ?

 

[shmogie]

Where did Christ say this?

Give me some time to look up book, chapter, verse for you.

 

[wizanda]

Did they all become Messiah? or are they all fake?

The Messiah has certain criteria to fulfil in the texts, these didn't, and could not bring world peace, so they were therefore not the Messiah.

The Messiah has to bring the Age of Godliness promised, and since the Source of our reality told me this is happening by Force after the Great Tribulation at 15 years old, before reading the texts, this fits with global eschatology.

In my opinion.