Is it Possible to Prove Being the Messiah?

[wizanda]

i get so many questions when reading your answers.

Questions are good, it makes things clearer; trying to relay every last bit, and making it clear in my understanding, doesn't mean someone else will understand it the same... So feel free to ask.

Did you see the source who spoke to you? was it a physical person who told you?

At 15 was walking down the train line, where heard a thought which thought was in my own head, and then was told categorically "I'm speaking to you" in a loud booming voice from everywhere, the wind, birds, all became part of it...

The voice sounded like a king on a throne with a whole array of enlightened beings behind it, all speaking in unison.

I didn't see it with my eyes, yet in a vision I saw the Temple of the Lord in the Messianic Age; so suppose also saw the Heavenly array, yet in my spirit not with my eyes.

When I had the NDE at 21, it is the same Source; yet in the NDE I went to the Core of reality to meet with it.

It didn't only speak, it communicated in the language of angels, which means it was encoded in multiple level mathematical music.

The things it explained were similar to the eschatology in Revelation Bowls (16) or Trumpets (8-9), Zoroastrian, Hindu texts, etc.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Questions are good, it makes things clearer; trying to relay every last bit, and making it clear in my understanding, doesn't mean someone else will understand it the same... So feel free to ask.

At 15 was walking down the train line, where heard a thought which thought was in my own head, and then was told categorically "I'm speaking to you" in a loud booming voice from everywhere, the wind, birds, all became part of it...

The voice sounded like a king on a throne with a whole array of enlightened beings behind it, all speaking in unison.

I didn't see it with my eyes, yet in a vision I saw the Temple of the Lord in the Messianic Age; so suppose also saw the Heavenly array, yet in my spirit not with my eyes.

When I had the NDE at 21, it is the same Source; yet in the NDE I went to the Core of reality to meet with it.

It didn't only speak, it communicated in the language of angels, which means it was encoded in multiple level mathematical music.

The things it explained were similar to the eschatology in Revelation Bowls (16) or Trumpets (8-9), Zoroastrian, Hindu texts, etc.

In my opinion.

Thank you for your answer Wizanda

 

[firedragon]

Contextually tho we're told that the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshua), was put into a human body in Isaiah 52:10-14.

It doesn't say anything of sort.

 

[Terry Sampson]

He was a reincarnation of David.

Would that be David, the second king of Israel?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Can you prove reincarnation?

Are you suggesting that if one cannot prove something, it doesn't exist?

 

[sooda]

Are you suggesting that if one cannot prove something, it doesn't exist?

There is no evidence for reincarnation. Its supernatural.. I don't believe in ghosts or demons either.

 

[sooda]

Would that be David, the second king of Israel?

Yes....... Jesus didn't vanquish the enemies of the Jews..

 

[sooda]

It doesn't say anything of sort.

Cyrus of Persia also "redeemed" the Jews from the Babylonian exile.

 

[SalixIncendium]

There is no evidence for reincarnation. Its supernatural.. I don't believe in ghosts or demons either.

What are your thoughts on God? Jesus Christ?

 

[sooda]

Questions are good, it makes things clearer; trying to relay every last bit, and making it clear in my understanding, doesn't mean someone else will understand it the same... So feel free to ask.

At 15 was walking down the train line, where heard a thought which thought was in my own head, and then was told categorically "I'm speaking to you" in a loud booming voice from everywhere, the wind, birds, all became part of it...

The voice sounded like a king on a throne with a whole array of enlightened beings behind it, all speaking in unison.

I didn't see it with my eyes, yet in a vision I saw the Temple of the Lord in the Messianic Age; so suppose also saw the Heavenly array, yet in my spirit not with my eyes.

When I had the NDE at 21, it is the same Source; yet in the NDE I went to the Core of reality to meet with it.

It didn't only speak, it communicated in the language of angels, which means it was encoded in multiple level mathematical music.

The things it explained were similar to the eschatology in Revelation Bowls (16) or Trumpets (8-9), Zoroastrian, Hindu texts, etc.

In my opinion.

Revelation 1:1 says, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants–things which must shortly take place.”


Revelation1:3 says, “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”

 

[wizanda]

Isaiah is about Israel, the servant of God.. Its not about Jesus. Read Isaiah 52:10-14.. It says SERVANT

In Hebrew Isaiah is Yeshayahu (Saved by the Lord), and Yeshua's full name is Yehoshua (Lord Saves).

The terminology "My Servant" used in Isaiah 52:13-14 is paraphrasing Psalms 89:19-21, which means that it is specifically referring to David being Yeshua in Isaiah 53.

This is the whole point in Hebraic prophecy David becomes the Messiah in the Messianic Age for having fulfilled Isaiah 53.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

What are your thoughts on God? Jesus Christ?

I think Protestantism has been utterly screwed by the Scofield heresy.

 

[sooda]

In Hebrew Isaiah is Yeshayahu (Saved by the Lord), and Yeshua's full name is Yehoshua (Lord Saves).

The terminology "My Servant" used in Isaiah 52:13-14 is paraphrasing Psalms 89:19-21, which means that it is specifically referring to David being Yeshua in Isaiah 53.

This is the whole point in Hebraic prophecy David becomes the Messiah in the Messianic Age for having fulfilled Isaiah 53.

In my opinion.

Read all of Isaiah.. All thru the book Israel is called "my servant".. Now YOU change it to mean Jesus?

Isaiah 53, which is the fourth of four renowned Servant Songs, is umbilically connected to its preceding chapters. The “servant” in each of the three previous Servant Songs is plainly and repeatedly identified as the nation of Israel. Isaiah 41:8-9

 

[firedragon]

Cyrus of Persia also "redeemed" the Jews from the Babylonian exile.

Zerubbabel, Job, Jehoiachin, Moses, Uzziah, Ezekiel, Eleazer, Cyrus were all proposed and then scholars like Joseph Albo claims it is Israel itself. Isaiah is taken to predict the Messiah based on the Talmud which says he will be a descendant of David. But then a lot of other things are said like the Gog/magog battle, and many other eschatological theories found inn the same Talmud that are ignored. This is all cherry picking what's good for us.

I don't value that. No disrespect meant.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I think Protestantism has been utterly screwed by the Scofield heresy.

Not what I was asking. Is there a God? Did Jesus Christ exist?

 

[sooda]

Not what I was asking. Is there a God? Did Jesus Christ exist?

Yes, to both, but you don't have to fiddle with the Old Testament to prove Jesus.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes, to both, but you don't have to fiddle with the Old Testament to prove Jesus.

So help me to understand how it is that reincarnation doesn’t exist because there is no proof, but both God and Jesus can exist under those same conditions.

 

[sooda]

Zerubbabel, Job, Jehoiachin, Moses, Uzziah, Ezekiel, Eleazer, Cyrus were all proposed and then scholars like Joseph Albo claims it is Israel itself. Isaiah is taken to predict the Messiah based on the Talmud which says he will be a descendant of David. But then a lot of other things are said like the Gog/magog battle, and many other eschatological theories found inn the same Talmud that are ignored. This is all cherry picking what's good for us.

I don't value that. No disrespect meant.

Gog and Magog already happened.. I think it was 600 years before the birth of Christ.

Yeah, Here... some even stayed behind and built a city near the Decapolis.

In approximately 624 B.C., the Scythians launched a massive invasion to the south, and occupied Asia Minor, Syria, Media, Palestine and much of Assyria. They conquered as far south as Egypt, but spared that nation when the Egyptians offered them tribute money.

 

[wizanda]

And how does claiming to be the Messiah accomplish this?

Claiming to be the Messiah, and return of David/Yeshua/Zion validates the understanding to speak on our religious texts before the imminent destruction of mankind.

This thread is about if everyone will argue, and since that is generally the case, it won't get anywhere, and as prophesied the Messiah comes in secret before the end (Revelation 16:15-16).

If it was possible to educate mankind, there would have been no point in Yeshua establishing the Snare (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5, Isaiah 28:9-19), and Moses placing the Curse (Deuteronomy 28) to catch out all the hypocrites.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

Would that be David, the second king of Israel?

Yes

In my opinion.