.lava
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Allah is not in existence. what does 'asura' mean? i can't understand what you're saying in this post.
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Allah is not in existence. what does 'asura' mean? i can't understand what you're saying in this post.
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Haha, that's right - Allah is not in existence, but the reason I think that is because I do not think Allah exists any more. I was open to it for a long time but now I don't think so.
An asura is a type of being within Hinduism and Buddhism. It is an angry, jealous and violent entity.
.lava
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If you read through the Qur'an again, in every chapter is a warning about hellfire (violent), he turned Christians into monkeys and Jews into pigs (anger), and he cannot stand the possibility of anyone else being worshipped but him (jealousy).
.lava
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that is the last book. reason why it tells about hell is people were asking about it. of course that's not the only reason. Allah has used the word 'hell' as many as heaven. can't recall exact number but if hell was mention for A times, heaven is also used for A times. it is same with the words night and day. there are many more opposites that used with same account. don't forget that that book is not meant only for lovely creatures like you.
hmm...if you ever manage to see people through eye of heart (you may call it 3rd eye) you'd see each person has two faces, one physical and the other metaphysical. anyways...i would like to see what verses you're referring to.
God would like to see everyone happy. the point you're missing here is that God is the owner of everything and God set the rules and dynamics. this worldly life is like a game, serious one though but a game. there is no gain or loss for God. if you start a game, that would be unfair to change the rules. it goes on exactly as it was 1000 or 5000 years ago. if there were other dynamics and other rules, you could still complaint. but, imagine give a little thought that the air you breath, food you eat, water you drink, beauty you see...etc anything you could name is given by God. if God is warning people, it is because we have free wills which is also given by God. death shall be a guide as everything goes away with a touch.and he cannot stand the possibility of anyone else being worshipped but him (jealousy).
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Hmmm, I don't quite understand what you mean here?
I understand what you mean here, but I find more angry passages than passages of love. Also, the Muslim version of heaven, with things of the flesh, does not appeal to me. Lovely? Why thank you!
I understand what you are referring to. Only, I do believe that these were meant to be literal.
Honestly hun, I'm not sure if it's in the Qur'an, but I do know that it is referred to in the Hadith.
That's another thing I find difficult to believe in though. :sad: Is God unable to help, or unwilling to help? If so, then he is not perfect - he would be either far from omnipotent (able to do all) or omnibenevolent (all loving).
I understand this, but if God is omniscient (knows all) then he should have known this would happen, and if he did know this would happen, then he could not be omnibenevolent because he will send people to hell...
A game where God sends the losers to hell? No thank you. I do not want to believe in such a deity, nor insult God's intelligence and compassion by claiming this.
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I believe in God, though, so you do not have to convince me of this. I just do not believe in the God of the Muslims.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
If you read through the Qur'an again, in every chapter is a warning about hellfire (violent), he turned Christians into monkeys and Jews into pigs (anger), and he cannot stand the possibility of anyone else being worshipped but him (jealousy).
alright i'll tell you something odion
why is it so easy to reflect only on those verses or those parts of the Kur'an?
the Kur'an also speaks about how to help those in need, the poor, the orphan etc...
it also speaks about being nice to other people it speaks about Allah himself and his mercy, his forgivenes etc....
so why do you find it easier to speak abot those things?
it is easier to badmouth someone or something when one disslikes it, so why don't you begin to tell us about what a good religion islam is?
1) hell is mentioned so people would not commit sin, which means it is mentioned for our benefit, if one doesn't fear anything then one will do anything they want, commit sin for eaxmple, if one is affraid of the police, one would not go commiting a crime, would they?
then there is the mentioning of heaven so thet their lives have an aim, they have something to live for they will be rewarded for the good deed they will do.
2) the jews were turned into monkeys because they didn't obey the rules of Allah. he would bring the fish to shore for them and they only had to catch them but when Allah tested them and said do not go fishing on saturday they dissobeyed him and he turned them into monkey as a punishment, they had fish to last them a week probably in their homes but they had to dissobey his order and thats what happened. there werent' going to die if they didn't fish for one day, they had food but they just liked dissobeying the orders of Allah and he knew that, thats why he turned them into animals so that they would never obey anyone else.(even animals obey the orders of hmans and they didn't want to obey the orders of Allah)
3) Allah doesn't mind if you worship anything else really. one can worship a monkey if they wanted to but that would show how smart they really are.
if Allah was jealous then he would have turned the other non muslims in todays society into animals he did it once, do you think he can't for a second time?
Allah made a promise to the Ummah of prophet Muhammed (saws) that we would not suffer his punishments like the other people before us.
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Ok
The reason it is easier to speak about those things, is because those things are against me, personally, and people I care about, and they are used (or abused) by fanatical Muslims world over to spread hatred and religious bigotry.
If I say some things I like about Islam, you have to tell me some things you like about Hinduism and Buddhism. Deal?
If I'm honest, I do not fear the police. I do not commit crimes, because they hurt me, another person, and society as a whole. If I feared the police, it would be because they are corrupt.
I understand.
But, things of the flesh do not appeal to me in an afterlife. I want to spend it with my wife, and my children. Not with houri.So, you don't know? They could have been starving, they may have not eaten for a month for all you know.
If you think about it, it is unfair that the Jews had Sabbath and the Muslims do not. Why did Allah change his mind?
Honestly, all the religious Jews I know are not the way you describe. They do not enjoy "disobeying his orders"...
I think he does, because if I go out and create a statue and worship it, I will go to Hell in Islamic beliefs. If I worship other Gods, if I worship a God and a Goddess, I will go to hell. That is jealousy..
Forgive me for saying this, but that makes Allah sound unfair. I thought Allah never changed his mind? Then why did he change it then?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
no no it is easier because if one doesn't like islam then they can't wait for one of its representatives (us muslims) to make a mistake and they start to focus on islam about what a bad religion it is, why not do the other way. do you know how much preassure we have sometimes not to do that because then it takes 100 times longer to get the story straight. i hope you understand.
yeah anytime.
i'll go first:
i like those religions because they are peacefull, they are meditational for relaxing the body, i do not like though the "do not wash" thing by the buddhists but still i think it is a good thing because Muhammed (saws) has said that a day will come when there won't be much water, so in a way they are saving it, and you could say i like it because of that.
i do not know much about these religions and so thats why i have not mentioned a lot of things, or i know some things but i do not like them and thats the reason why i havn't mentioned it.
well you do not fear the police because they are ther to protect you and that was a poor exaple from me, but do you fear gangs, no gangs formed by little children i mean real gangs, with shootings and killings, ofcourse you do everyone does and thats why we stay away from them, i certainly do because of that
I understand.
note: i'll say this from a muslim perspective
if you and your family were muslims by all heart then all of you would enter heaven which means that you can be with them if you wish, you can even be with your wife in heaven too if you wish (soory for the personal invassion) but look this is what will happen in judgement day: a mother will drop her baby on the ground because of her sins she will fear Allah and won't be able to face him because she never believed him, a mother who will be breast feeding will aslo drop the baby on the ground because of her sins and won't have any thing to say or make up an excuse.
and you do know how much a parent loves its child don't you. but thats what will happen if a mother or father wont teach their child about islam
ah, no. you see if you believe that verse from the Kur'an you too must accept the others before it, and the clearly state that they had food, the fish would come to shore, Allah made their lives easier they didn't have to work for their food, Allah fed them without having to work for it. but they dissobeyed him, it wasn't all of them but instead a minority.
ofcourse no one would enjoy dissobeying the orders of the Master. but then at that time they did and they werent jews then yet, they were muslims (they weren't called muslims but from todays perspective i'll say muslims) they wittnesed the other miracles of Allah but they never got fed up they even asked Musa (as) to see Allah or otherwise they would not belive in him and so Allah took their lives for some time and brought them back to life so that they would understand but at the end they drowend prophet Musa (as) because of their lack of faith.
ok let me put it this way:
you are from england right?
now i know that someone in england is named odion (i'll use this as your name) and i start to call someone else odion i feel as that person is you, i learn about that person, i learn everything about that person but, when i come to england and we meet then i start talking about you as if i've known you for the whole of my life right, because i believed in odion. but when i see you then you go to me what do you know about me? i know notheing. why? well i believed that someone else was you. and so you would kick me out, wouldn't you. you would because i know nothing about you, i believed that someone else was you when infact i was totally way off.
does that make any sense, do you understand now why Allah throws them in hell and not in heaven. the people who enter heaven have some knowledge of Allah but those who know nothing they are taken to hell. thats not jealousy, thats the truth. you don't know anything about me, so would i let you come in to my home and sleep in it? no way, nor would you. and that is a fact as well as it is true.
no no Allah isn't unfair. the people before us (before Muhammed (saws) was chosen prophet) were way more corrupt than us. they treated women like animals they killed their daughters because they liked boys more, they killed for no reason at all, they dissobeyed Allah even after wittnesing his miracles, we are nothing like those people so we do not deserve the same punishment.
the people of prophet Nuhi (as)/ Noah (as) got flooded (drowened) those of Musa (as) got turned into monkeys, Allah knows about all the others. so you see if we too were as corrupt as them then we too would suffer Allahs punishment.
our punishemnt is water, we will run out of it and that is clearly mentioned in the hadith and the Kur'an. Allah will turn this world into a dessert for us because we desserve it for our lack of faith in him but that is nothing compared to the punishmets of the other people.
.lava
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i mean, that's the only warning written for you, for me and for anyone who'd be born in to this world till the end of time.
sending this just to offer you enjoyable read, lovely lolI understand what you mean here, but I find more angry passages than passages of love. Also, the Muslim version of heaven, with things of the flesh, does not appeal to me. Lovely? Why thank you!
WORD REPETITIONS IN THE QUR'AN
Apart from the miraculous characteristics of the Qur'an which we have looked into so far, it also contains what we can term "mathematical miracles." There are many examples of this fascinating Qur'anic aspect. One example of this is the number of repetitions of certain words in the Qur'an. Some related words are surprisingly repeated the same number of times. Below is a list of such words and the number of repetitions in the Qur'an.
The statement of "seven heavens" is repeated seven times. "The creation of the heavens (khalq as-samawat)" is also repeated seven times.
"Day (yawm)" is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms "days (ayyam and yawmayn)" together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word "month" (shahar) is 12.
The number of repetitions of the words "plant" and "tree" is the same: 26
The word "payment or reward" is repeated 117 times, while the expression "forgiveness" (mughfirah), which is one of the basic morals of the Qur'an, is repeated exactly twice that amount, 234 times.
When we count the word "Say," we find it appears 332 times. We arrive at the same figure when we count the phrase "they said."
The number of times the words, "world" (dunya) and "hereafter" (akhira) are repeated is also the same: 115
The word "satan" (shaitan) is used in the Qur'an 88 times, as is the word "angels" (malaika).
The word faith (iman) (without genitive) is repeated 25 times throughout the Qur'an as is also the word infidelity (kufr).
The words "paradise" and "hell" are each repeated 77 times.
The word "zakah" is repeated in the Qur'an 32 times and the number of repetitions of the word "blessing" (barakah) is also 32.
The expression "the righteous" (al-abraar) is used 6 times but "the wicked" (al-fujjaar) is used half as much, i.e., 3 times.
The number of times the words "Summer-hot" and "winter-cold" are repeated is the same: 5.
The words "wine" (khamr) and "intoxication" (saqara) are repeated in the Qur'an the same number of times: 6
The number of appearances of the words "mind" and "light" is the same: 49.
The words "tongue" and "sermon" are both repeated 25 times.
The words "benefit" and "corrupt" both appear 50 times.
"Reward" (ajr) and "action" (fail) are both repeated 107 times.
"Love" (al-mahabbah) and "obedience" (al-ta'ah) also appear the same number of times: 83
The words "refuge" (maseer) and "for ever" (abadan) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 28.
The words "disaster" (al-musibah) and "thanks" (al-shukr) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 75.
"Sun" (shams) and "light" (nur) both appear 33 times in the Qur'an.
* In counting the word "light" only the simple forms of the word were included.
The number of appearances of "right guidance" (al-huda) and "mercy" (al-rahma) is the same: 79
The words "trouble" and "peace" are both repeated 13 times in the Qur'an.
The words "man" and "woman" are also employed equally: 23 times.
Will they not ponder the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found many inconsistencies in it.
(Qur'an, 4:82)
The number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Qur'an, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo. The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.
"Treachery" (khiyanah) is repeated 16 times, while the number of repetitions of the word "foul" (khabith) is 16.
"Human being" is used 65 times: the sum of the number of references to the stages of man's creation is the same: i.e.
Human being 65
Soil (turab) 17
Drop of Sperm (nutfah) 12
Embryo ('alaq) 6
A half formed lump of flesh (mudghah) 3
Bone ('idham) 15
Flesh (lahm) 12
TOTAL 65
The word "salawat" appear five times in the Qur'an, and Allah has commanded man to perform the prayer (salat) five times a day.
The word "land" appears 13 times in the Qur'an and the word "sea" 32 times, giving a total of 45 references. If we divide that number by that of the number of references to the land we arrive at the figure 28.888888888889%. The number of total references to land and sea, 45, divided by the number of references to the sea in the Qur'an, 32, is 71.111111111111%. Extraordinarily, these figures represent the exact proportions of land and sea on the Earth today.238
Miracles of the Qur'an - Harun Yahya
OK, i need you to explain what you meant by flesh thing.
are you 'Spirited Away', Odion? ha ha...
literal? once i listened to a man who explained one verse as 'a tribe being turned into monkeys' -literally- as a punishment. yet i've never heard anything about that from my Master. what i said about that metaphysical (inner/real) face appearing makes more sense to me. that vision could be many things. you could see a guy who's coming back from his work with a knife stabbed right in the heart. that would be literal through metaphysics, i mean you'd see the knife stabbed on his heart literally but of course he would not be literally (physically) stabbed on the heart. you do understand me here, right?
God helps people all the time. when we pray we don't just say we are thankful for what God gave us, we also say we are thankful for what God did not give us, even though it is something we want to have. people do not really ask help for happiness. people ask for things what they think that could make them happy. like they ask for more money. because they think or they believe more money would make them happy. this is one thing i see in people. the other mistake i see is that people by asking things from God, are trying to test God. you can't do that. we are here to be tested by God.
here is a verse i would like to share with you;
2:216 Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
my dear friend, God does not send people to hell. people abandon God and go to a place left alone by God which is hell. regardless what religion you were born into, if you wish to reach God, you enter heaven. you could be someone who spent his entire life worshiping fire, and ten minutes before he dies he sincerely wishes to reach God, and he earns heaven. even though he did not perform salaat once (because he dies in 10 mins). just one wish, Odion.
i think i made my point about this above. here is verses about two directions one has. there is no third option.
10 / YÛNUS - 7: Verily, they do not wish to reach Us. They are pleased and satisfied with the life of the present, and they are those who are unaware of Our Verses.
10 / YÛNUS - 8: Their abode is the Fire (Hell), because of the (bad degrees) they earned.
a friendly suggestion, don't rush about Allah. you can't read original text of Qur'an. you depend on other people and you don't know what or who they are. unfortunately Muslims are in the same situation. they are translated away..Yes.
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I understand, however, this isn't true. Why people focus on what makes Islam a bad religion is because it's more obvious. It may also be human flaws. But, after all, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism are all good, and also have a LOT less angst.
I like Islam because of how pious the Muslims are, and the way Muslims pray, as well as wudhu.
Umm, what?
As an ex-Buddhist of the Theravada denomination I do not know what you are referring to. Unless I was in part of a different sangha, I'm uncertain about what you mean.
The best thing to do is learn about the other religions, that way it looks better when you speak of them. You have mentioned things before which are not true within religions, after all.
God =/= Gangs, unless God is evil. Right? And God is not evil.
Thank you for this
Unfortunately I do not believe in such a thing, but thank you for your insight nonetheless.
Ah, I see. Thanks for this. But why would they disobey him for fun? I would never knowingly disobey God.
So, not all of them will be punished?
If such a thing did happen, then it would be Allah's weakness that they could not continue on the straight path, and would continue sinning. It would be a problem with the way they were designed...
I'm sorry, but I personally cannot believe such a thing. In the Bible Moses died of old age at 120. Can you show me some Hadith or ayat about when Moses was drowned by the people?
Maybe! I don't like giving my location away over forums though- I don't mind MSN, but not forums. Anyone could read forums.
If kicking you out meant sending you to an eternal punishment, then no, as long as you were a good person in my house and were willing to move out, I would look after you for a while as you get a house. But if you did anything, I would kick you out in a heartbeat. However, I am not similar to God. If I could, I would build every person a house, give them enough food, and make sure they were comfortable and happy.
That is unfair.. so even those who did not learn of Allah in their time will go to Hell? Even a pious nonbeliever?
Sorry, it appears as jealousy or distrust. Allah has more power than me. Why not offer classes in heaven or something? :cover:
But the same thing happens nowadays.
What a charming God...
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Hmmm, I see. Thanks for your insight.
Interesting read. Unfortunately, it does not help convince me of the Qur'an's authorship, but it is interesting to read.sending this just to offer you enjoyable read, lovely lol
Houri and alcohol, etc. They do not appeal to me.
Haha, no, that's a Japanese Animation. :angel2:
I understand
So it did not literally happen?I agree.
Thank you for this. However, this feels like blind faith...
It does not seem so in the Qur'an though.. and if God does not send people to hell, then he does not send them to heaven? Can he take people from hell to heaven? And from heaven to hell?
It seems a little unfair to burn for eternity because one is left alone by God...
Every religious person wants to reach God with all their heart, though.
Are you referring to Zoroastrians?
Haha, thank you for this. I've heard this before. But then, why would anyone want to be Muslim if they can just do this within the next 10 minutes?
But, I do desire to reach God. Everyone who worships God, wants to reach Him. But some people do not see God within Islam.
The majority of Muslims do not understand the Qur'an, or they use translations.. this makes Islam also tricky for me to believe, since it makes God inaccessible for his followers, and Allah knew this would happen...
Thank you for your insight though
.lava
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me neither
so what? i would like to have some quite and solitude in green fields and fly above mountains if i could earn heaven. heaven means freedom and none of people of heaven would be forced to have houris or anything. you simply get what you want. that's what freedom means.i do not know. there are many people who's speaking about serious stuff but very little of them know the truth. specially people who's front and supported by media are unfortunately very ignorant. media owners do not want people to turn to God. imo it is even dangerous for people to believe anyone.I understand
we have intellect but unknown is also has a huge part of our understanding and daily life. for example, i am not willing to make promises for next week or tomorrow. because in our teachings making a promise is not simple as it sounds.
i don't think faith is blind but yes, God is unseen for now. in the path of Tasavvuf, seeing Allah is the last step. that happens after submitting free will, not before. very very high level of Islam.
that verse is referring to this; we can not know what we want would bring to us. i might want to visit Japan and try to collect money but maybe someone steals my money. that usually make people sad and angry. imagine that i went to Japan and had an accident and lost some parts of my body. during the time wanting to go Japan, no chance that i could see what would happen to me in Japan. see my point? in Tasavvuf, it was said, person should know what he wants and works to have it because without effort he would not get anything. trusting in God comes after putting some effort. i mean, you do what you could do and leave the rest to God. you don't sit back and see what God gives you. laziness is not welcomed.
let me put it this way. each would be judged by himself. in after life the bodies we would get is not physical as it is now. body that belongs to heaven and body that belongs to hell are not same. a body which is created for heaven could not perceive hell physically, he would see it but he would not be able to feel it physically. same with opposite. no way to change where you belong.
if you've heard all of this, no, i can't say it is unfair. i mean, if we did not know about hell and heaven, if we were not warned and if we ended up in hell because of our ignorance then that would be unfair. but everything was told to humanity. if there were anyone who did not hear about this stuff, people who's not warned are not responsible of the message. in case there are people like that, they would not be judged.
not at all. you know what they want? even religious people want money, want to rule other people, want to rule the world, they want heaven, they want houris, they want this and that but no, my friend, very little of humanity wants God itself.
i don't know, am i? i did not intent to mean more that what i said. i said fire worshiper because fire belongs to hell.
to be happier. relationship between God and individual is about love. you wish to reach who you love. you may not know when you'd die. you know some deaths come in a sudden. besides, wishing to reach God is first step, a beginning. it continues till you see God. naturallyHaha, thank you for this. I've heard this before. But then, why would anyone want to be Muslim if they can just do this within the next 10 minutes?
that wish has to be made from heart. when you wish to reach God, i assure you Odion, world disappears from your sight and God leads you to someone you never knew before. that someone would be your guide. we ask God for our guides by performing a simple salaat. people who made a sincere wish see their guide in their dreams on the same night. then they find him in daily life. so that is what makes people in Tasavvuf sure about their Masters.
sweetie, wish to reach who created you. make that wish sincerely. sincerity matters to God. then your creator would lead you to your guide and by meeting him, you'd be meeting secrets of this life and after. only after you wish to reach God, decide if you want to chose Islam or not. first establish that bridge between your heart and your creator. other than that, without making that wish, being or not being a Muslim makes no sense at all.The majority of Muslims do not understand the Qur'an, or they use translations.. this makes Islam also tricky for me to believe, since it makes God inaccessible for his followers, and Allah knew this would happen...
Thank you for your insight though
i thank you too
love
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Gharib
I want Khilafah back
well yeah. i mean people bow down to a king and why not to a god, they just tend to say thank you when something good happens to them, so why not say thankyou to god when something bad happens, we desserve it thats why it happens, so thank god for that too.
yeah isn't the dalai lama a buddhist? he doesn't shower, nor do his followers, or is that a different religion
i have never been interested in religions before, i have never wanted to know about them but know the more i know about everything the better for me.
God =/= Gangs, unless God is evil. Right? And God is not evil.
thats right god isn't evil.
alright then i'll use your example from the previous post.
you said tha you would not hurt anyone because it would bring harm to your family and that of a victim is that right?
one wouldn't want to hurt anyone because his family will suffer for his actions, right. and so will the family of the victim.
so, many people who fear that (the suffering of his family) those people do not got hurting other people (just as us muslims do our best not to commit sins because then our family might suffer the punishment of hell, because a family will do anything to protect one of its own, thus leading to the whole family commiting sin by protecting their loved one from being convicted of the crime or sin)
they didn't dissobey Allah for fun, but instead they were stubborn people they thoght they knew what was best, and before they came to that freedom they were slayed by faroh, they were lost people, weak, Allah reinforced them with a prophet of their own (from one of their tribes, a jewish tribe) but they still understand. they wanted more. they are the people who have wittnessed so many miracles but still like i said they thoght they knew better than Allah.
well i'll tell you something else too. you know how i've said that the jews have changed the parts of their scripture that spoke about Muhammed (saws) and those that spoke of Isa (as). the pepole who made those changes were a minority, they were the educated people who knew how to read and write, while the other jews weren't educated so the un-educated jews (the illiterate) may have a good chance of entering heaven but Allah knows best not me. i may be completely wrong.
the illiterate jews went with what the educated ones tolled them, because they didn't know how to read, so in a way they are not responsible for beig jews and dying as jews.
no you see again that is a wrong thing to say.
Allah has given us free will, He cannot force us to accept him, if he did then we would all enter heaven. we must make a start, or a search, for him, just as lava has mentioned that we need to reach god we need to yake the first step in order for him to guide us. (he can make us all obedient to his commands, very easily but because of the free will Allah wanted them to be muslims in their own way, to chose that for themself), but they always held their head up high and didn't obey the orders of their master.
i'll give you the verse but not at the moment i can't find it but when i do i'll poste it here for you. it's in the second chapter but i just don't know where exactly. sorry for that
ok i understand sorry for thinking that you are from englangd or anyother country
well hasn't Allah already done that for us?
Allah has given everyone a home, he has given everyone a chance to own a better place in heaven, he has given everyone strength to work, he has given us food for free( we just need to plant it and take care of it) and aren't we happy in this world, don't we have families, don't we have other people who care about us, don't we have so much more.
but you see, you didn't think about this, you didn't remember that Allah has already given us all of that which you said you would give to someone if you could and we just need to obey him for a very very short time. but who does?
how would you feel if you gave someone all of that wich you said and at the end they thank someone else insted of you, they try to embarrase your name, they try to make you equal to someone who has done nothing for them, how would you feel?
and now imagine how Allah feels and still we have happines and do not thank him nor worship him. and we even call him a non tolerant god,or a non forgiver. just imagine that my friend. how does Allah feel, who wants nothing in return except for worshipping and praises, which infact is still for our benefit.
well those who were illiterate and were guided to a different religion on purpose they may be rewarded with heaven but only Allah knows that not me
there are classes in heaven, heaven in in levels.
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K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
Maybe its a greater freedom not to have any wants.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
To me, freedom means not being bound by the need for anything.
.lava
Veteran Member
true. matches with path of tasavvuf. that's why people in tasavvuf rather follow commands of God instead of personal desires. i am also willing to free myself from me/my ego.
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K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
Can you please guide me to a site that speaks of tasavvuf so that I can study it? Thanks.
.lava
Veteran Member
nawab
Active Member
OK Dear Odion, Tell me how is the Devil controlling Iran and Saudi Arabia just because they do not recoignize western supremecy so they are led by the devil thats very nice,
i had told you that i am a straight forward person i dont go around and around the bush trying to manipulate people with words that absoluetly mean nothing well i beleive in a formula that dont use seven words when you can use four,
Allah = God Almighty, God Almighty in arabic is called Allah, We muslims like to call God almighty Allah just like the Christians would call Jesus (Jesus) but Jesus never heard anyone calling him Jesus did he, they must have called him Isau or Yesheua
if you are a beleiver in God, then i dont have to prove his exsistence. If you want to disprove Prophet Muhammad SAWS claim you find one mistake from the quran and you have done it,
You are still seeking and you are debating, its quite funny that you are offereing something which you yourself are seeking, you are offering somethng which you dont have.
i had told you that i am a straight forward person i dont go around and around the bush trying to manipulate people with words that absoluetly mean nothing well i beleive in a formula that dont use seven words when you can use four,
Allah = God Almighty, God Almighty in arabic is called Allah, We muslims like to call God almighty Allah just like the Christians would call Jesus (Jesus) but Jesus never heard anyone calling him Jesus did he, they must have called him Isau or Yesheua
if you are a beleiver in God, then i dont have to prove his exsistence. If you want to disprove Prophet Muhammad SAWS claim you find one mistake from the quran and you have done it,
You are still seeking and you are debating, its quite funny that you are offereing something which you yourself are seeking, you are offering somethng which you dont have.
Or, how the devil is controlling Muslim nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Not at all, just notice at how you say things.
How mature.. :slap:
No, prove ALLAH exists. Prove that Muhammad really spoke with the god who you claim is the one true God.
Not me, that's for sure.
Yes it does, I agree with you here.
I don't belong to any religion, I'm a seeker. I'm looking for God. Good look with proving that a spiritual search is wrong.