Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[keithnurse]

Wrong. Even if you deliberately ignore the bible, or change God's Word into the opposite, we know by the biological make-up of males and females that they were created to be sexually attracted to each other to produce offspring. That means that sexual relations between humans and animals, people of the same gender, between adults and young children, or any other sexual relationship is un-natural and thus a perversion. And nothing can change that. You can't alter the laws of nature without serious consequences to nature itself.

Wrong. What we know is that we need males and females to continue heterosexual reproduction to ensure the survival of humanity but that doesn't mean all people need to do that. If homosexuality is approved of that doesn't mean heterosexuality will die out from lack of interest. Heterosexuality will continue and the human race will continue reproducing. Some research indicates that the more sons a woman gives birth to, each son she has is more likely to be gay than the first, so that the 7th son has a 50/50 chance of being gay. Maybe homosexuality is a built in biological mechanism to help prevent overpopulation. I am speculating but it makes good sense to me.

 

[Storm]

Wrong. Even if you deliberately ignore the bible, or change God's Word into the opposite, we know by the biological make-up of males and females that they were created to be sexually attracted to each other to produce offspring. That means that sexual relations between humans and animals, people of the same gender, between adults and young children, or any other sexual relationship is un-natural and thus a perversion. And nothing can change that. You can't alter the laws of nature without serious consequences to nature itself.

Nature disagrees:
National Geographic, Gay Men, Straight Women Have Similar Brains

 

[Magic Man]

1) Lust becomes the supreme value in same-sex relationships. They don't care what God, their families or anyone else thinks of it, they just want to act on their lust

Yeah, that's why they want to get married, not because they want a long-lasting loving relationship, because they are giving in to lust. I mean, that's why I got married, because I heard the sex is so much more frequent when you're married. :sarcastic

2) Same-sex relationships promote families where no one is related to each other

7) Same-sex marriages encourage children to use others as objects of their sexual desires rather than thinking about what's best for their partners

How? Again, why the hell would someone want to get married and have kids, if all they're after is sex and pleasure for themselves?

8) Same-sex marriages inhibits future populations

No, they don't. There are plenty of gay people with kids. Plus, whether they get married or just stay in a lasting relationship that's not a legal marriage, either way, they're equally likely to have kids.

that's actually an adolescent maturity level that thinks with its hormones rather than its heart or brain.

It's funny. When you cut out the couple of lines leading up to this, you'd assume you wrote it about yourself.

The above doesn't even address the biblical and spiritual reasons against homosexuality which are far too advanced for people who have no values higher than bodily gratification which is the highest level that animals are capable of. So I won't even get into them here.

Yes, that's what it is. They're far too advanced. It's not that they're stupid and ridiculous.

 

[Storm]

1) Lust becomes the supreme value in same-sex relationships. They don't care what God, their families or anyone else thinks of it, they just want to act on their lust

Maybe in yours. Not in mine.

2) Same-sex relationships promote families where no one is related to each other

That's right, because there's no such thing as in vitro fertilization, no member of a same sex couple ever had biological children from a previous relationship, bisexuals (like myself) don't exist, and opposite sex couples never adopt.

Oh, and adoption is apparently wrong.

:areyoucra

3) Same sex relationships only have one gender as a role model for their children

Because everyone knows dykes and **** don't have any friends of the opposite sex, and never allow their children contact with their biological parents. :areyoucra

4) Children in same-sex marriages don't know what a wife or husband is or does

I'm an raised by two heterosexuals, and I "don't know what a wife or husband does." I know the sexist stereotypes from the 50s that ultra-conservatives cling to, and I reject them.

5) Children in same-sex marriages don't know what a mother or father is or does

See response to item 4.

6) Children in same sex marriages are given permission to act on their lust, no matter what it is, as long as they find a partner who likes what they like. So it inhibits self-discipline and encourages acting out

BS.

7) Same-sex marriages encourage children to use others as objects of their sexual desires rather than thinking about what's best for their partners

Bigotry.

8) Same-sex marriages inhibits future populations

False.

for starters. But again, those who don't care about the affects that same-sex relationships have on children won't see anything wrong with homosexuality since LUST is the highest value of those who support homosexuality. that's actually an adolescent maturity level that thinks with its hormones rather than its heart or brain.

The above doesn't even address the biblical and spiritual reasons against homosexuality which are far too advanced for people who have no values higher than bodily gratification which is the highest level that animals are capable of. So I won't even get into them here.

More bigotry.

Do you have anything rational to offer?

:rainbow1:

 

[Carico]

Yeah, that's why they want to get married, not because they want a long-lasting loving relationship, because they are giving in to lust. I mean, that's why I got married, because I heard the sex is so much more frequent when you're married. :sarcastic







How? Again, why the hell would someone want to get married and have kids, if all they're after is sex and pleasure for themselves?



No, they don't. There are plenty of gay people with kids. Plus, whether they get married or just stay in a lasting relationship that's not a legal marriage, either way, they're equally likely to have kids.



It's funny. When you cut out the couple of lines leading up to this, you'd assume you wrote it about yourself.



Yes, that's what it is. They're far too advanced. It's not that they're stupid and ridiculous.

1) If lust isn't the reason for their relationship, then why not just live together as room-mates? So you're wrong, lust is their chief interest in each other.

2) Doesn't having children give them pleasure? of course it does. So it's still all about them, not anyone else.

3) This is a blatantly false statement. Homosexuals cannot reproduce together and homosexuality will be modeled to their children which gives children permission to be homosexual themselves as adults which will increase homosexuality.

I see zero concern for children in your post. You have proven my point that acting on one's lust is the most important thing that homosexuals can do and how it affects their children is of zero importance.

But I already told you that you would deny the consequences of homosexual relationships so they can act on their lust. I didn't even talk about the std's that result from it but you would also deny that even though the stats prove you wrong.

So again, you prove that your highest value is bodily gratification as it is with most people in our country as well. People who don't want a moral watchdog will justify any immoral behavior they want even if they have to lie to do so.

 

[Storm]

1) If lust isn't the reason for their relationship, then why not just live together as room-mates? So you're wrong, lust is their chief interest in each other.

Because marriage is about commitment, genius. Or at least it should be.

2) Doesn't having children give them pleasure? of course it does. So it's still all about them, not anyone else.

Then the same is true of opposite sex couples.

3) This is a blatantly false statement. Homosexuals cannot reproduce together and homosexuality will be modeled to their children which gives children permission to be homosexual themselves as adults which will increase homosexuality.

No, it's not blatantly false. It's blatnatly true: some queers have kids. We have two lesbians on the forum with several kids apiece, and I have a son. Cope.

I see zero concern for children in your post. You have proven my point that acting on one's lust is the most important thing that homosexuals can do and how it affects their children is of zero importance.

He said nothing of the kind, so stop twisting his words.

But I already told you that you would deny the consequences of homosexual relationships so they can act on their lust.

No, we deny that there are consequences, and further deny that lust is the point.

I didn't even talk about the std's that result from it but you would also deny that even though the stats prove you wrong.

Name me one STD exclusive to sexual minorities. Just one.

So again, you prove that your highest value is bodily gratification as it is with most people in our country as well.

You don't listen worth a damn, do you?

 

[Carico]

No, we deny that there are consequences, and further deny that lust is the point.

Yup just as I said you would. You have to deny consequences and deny that homosexuality is a sin in order to continue to promote lust. The Nazi's and the German people all denied they did anything wrong either. That's how people can be immoral, lose their conscience.

 

[Magic Man]

1) If lust isn't the reason for their relationship, then why not just live together as room-mates? So you're wrong, lust is their chief interest in each other.

Why don't straight couples live together as roommates? It's called love, not lust. Lust would be sleeping with many different people. If lust was the motivating factor, there would be no reason to get married.

2) Doesn't having children give them pleasure? of course it does. So it's still all about them, not anyone else.

Then, how does this not apply to straight couples? Are you really trying to say that having kids is only about the parents' pleasure? That's probably one of the weirdest arguments I've ever heard. Yeah, it's fun to go through childbirth and cleaning up after screaming, out-of-control little devils. That sure is my idea of a good time.

3) This is a blatantly false statement. Homosexuals cannot reproduce together and homosexuality will be modeled to their children which gives children permission to be homosexual themselves as adults which will increase homosexuality.

Who said they reproduce with each other? We have members here who are in a long-term, committed relationship with a member of the same sex who have biological kids. I suggest you learn something about modern science. It's a wonderful thing.

As far as kids learning homosexuality, why would kids learn that and not learn heterosexuality? Probably a vast majority of gay people had straight parents. If it was that easy to learn sexual preference from your parents, what happened to them? Besides, more homosexuals isn't actually a bad thing.

I see zero concern for children in your post. You have proven my point that acting on one's lust is the most important thing that homosexuals can do and how it affects their children is of zero importance.

That's probably because you didn't actually understand my post. I don't have any ridiculous hang-ups about homosexuality, and there's nothing wrong with kids turning out gay. They're not different than anyone else.

You haven't shown that gay marriage affects kids in a negative way, thereby proving a need for it to be a concern. As it is, kids grow up with parents, homosexual or heterosexual. Either way, if the parents love them, they generally have a good childhood, and turn out just fine. So, there is no concern to be had.

But I already told you that you would deny the consequences of homosexual relationships so they can act on their lust. I didn't even talk about the std's that result from it but you would also deny that even though the stats prove you wrong.

What are the consequences of gay relationships of kids? You think the kids will turn out gay? That's just false, and all you have to do is look around to see that. The bottom line is that if the parents love the kids and treat them well, it doesn't matter whether they're straight or gay, they'll be just fine with no negative effects. And again, getting married has nothing to do with lust. If it was about lust, the gay people would just go have sex with someone every night, and not even get into a relationship.

As far as STDs go, there's another thing that heterosexuals get. All of your arguments boil down to problems that concern straight people as much as gay people, but you want them to only pertain to homosexuals. Well, they don't.

So again, you prove that your highest value is bodily gratification as it is with most people in our country as well. People who don't want a moral watchdog will justify any immoral behavior they want even if they have to lie to do so.

And again, you're wrong. Nothing I've said even remotely shows that, but I won't expect you to see anything other than your bigotry.

 

[Storm]

Yup just as I said you would. You have to deny consequences and deny that homosexuality is a sin in order to continue to promote lust. The Nazi's and the German people all denied they did anything wrong either. That's how people can be immoral, lose their conscience.

Godwin's Law, you lose.

Also, denying falsehood is standard procedure for anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty.

 

[Magic Man]

Yup just as I said you would. You have to deny consequences and deny that homosexuality is a sin in order to continue to promote lust. The Nazi's and the German people all denied they did anything wrong either. That's how people can be immoral, lose their conscience.

The difference is we can all see with our eyes what the Nazis did wrong in the Holocaust. You have yet to show these negative consequences that homosexuality has. That's because there are no negative consequences from homosexuality.

 

[Carico]

Godwin's Law, you lose.

Also, denying falsehood is standard procedure for anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty.

Unfortunately, you'll find out who loses on judgment day. Only people with a conscience can keep themselves from performing immoral or indecent acts. Once you lose your conscience, you become depraved and head straight down the path to hell. So you aren't helping homosexuals by leading them straight on the path to hell. That's called hate, not love and is no different than giving an alcoholic a drink.

 

[Storm]

I find it interesting that when I fall in love with a man, I'm right and good, but when I fall in love with a woman, I'm too stupid to know the difference between love and lust. One would think, having had a taste of real (straight) love, I'd prefer it to base instinct and go straight. We bis are so damned inconvenient.

 

[Storm]

Unfortunately, you'll find out who loses on judgment day. Only people with a conscience can keep themselves from performing immoral or indecent acts. Once you lose your conscience, you become depraved and head straight down the path to hell. So you aren't helping homosexuals by leading them straight on the path to hell. That's called hate, not love and is no different than giving an alcoholic a drink.

Well, then. Being neither depraved, immoral, nor without a conscience, I'm just fine.

Will God hate me for loving, or love you for hating?

 

[Carico]

I find it interesting that when I fall in love with a man, I'm right and good, but when I fall in love with a woman, I'm too stupid to know the difference between love and lust. One would think, having had a taste of real (straight) love, I'd prefer it to base instinct and go straight. We bis are so damned inconvenient.

No, you just put lust your above any other value in life and you're teaching children to do the same. Sorry, but I wouldn't give an alcoholic a drink no matter how much he bullied threatened or demanded that I do so. Only desperate people try to coerce others into approving their behavior. But desperate people are the ones that need the real help. Unfortunately, all they're getting are enablers.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Unfortunately, you'll find out who loses on judgment day. Only people with a conscience can keep themselves from performing immoral or indecent acts. Once you lose your conscience, you become depraved and head straight down the path to hell. So you aren't helping homosexuals by leading them straight on the path to hell. That's called hate, not love and is no different than giving an alcoholic a drink.

As we have seen, fundamentalists like carico actually feel disgust toward the body, sex and probably are psychologically damaged. Or of course all these trolls are the same person.

Talking to someone like carico is of course pointless, they are lost in their own hatred and the need to spread their hatred. No matter what you do, they will not remove the log from their own eye before they cast dispersions on another.

Bigotry goes hand in hand with ignorance and stupidity. It is the clever, calculating minority of bigots that are the real problem. Stupid people will always be. The world needs stupid people. God bless Walmart, even bigots need jobs.:flirt:

 

[Magic Man]

Unfortunately, you'll find out who loses on judgment day.

Why don't you just leave it at that? You think God doesn't approve and he'll send homosexuals to hell. Great. I don't really care, and neither do they. If you're right, they'll find out later. I don't think they're very concerned about that miniscule possibility, though, so it might be best now that you've put forth your opinion to leave it at that.

Only people with a conscience can keep themselves from performing immoral or indecent acts.

So, you're saying your inability to keep yourself from performing immoral or indecent acts like lying and spreading falsehoods is due to your lack of a conscience? Well, that makes sense.

So you aren't helping homosexuals by leading them straight on the path to hell. That's called hate, not love and is no different than giving an alcoholic a drink.

Well, since it's not the path to hell, it would seem you're the one spreading the hate.

 

[Magic Man]

Only desperate people try to coerce others into approving their behavior. But desperate people are the ones that need the real help.

Yes, that's why we're here to help you. Help us help you.

 

[Carico]

As we have seen, fundamentalists like carico actually feel disgust toward the body, sex and probably are psychologically damaged. Or of course all these trolls are the same person.

Talking to someone like carico is of course pointless, they are lost in their own hatred and the need to spread their hatred. No matter what you do, they will not remove the log from their own eye before they cast dispersions on another.

Bigotry goes hand in hand with ignorance and stupidity. It is the clever, calculating minority of bigots that are the real problem. Stupid people will always be. The world needs stupid people. God bless Walmart, even bigots need jobs.:flirt:

An alcoholic attacks people who try to help him as well. But again, I won't enable him any more than I will enable homosexuals. If you want to continue leading homosexuals straight on the path to hell, you're free to do so.

 

[Storm]

No, you just put lust your above any other value in life and you're teaching children to do the same. Sorry, but I wouldn't give an alcoholic a drink no matter how much he bullied threatened or demanded that I do so. Only desperate people try to coerce others into approving their behavior. But desperate people are the ones that need the real help. Unfortunately, all they're getting are enablers.

No, I really don't. Lust isn't a value for me at all, much less my highest. What I do value: loyalty, honor, honesty, love, generosity, family. Beauty and meaning and poetry. Life in all its terrible glory. God and truth and wisdom.

But of course, you'll deny that I know my values better than you. You have to, in order to maintain your hatred.

 

[Storm]

As we have seen, fundamentalists like carico actually feel disgust toward the body, sex and probably are psychologically damaged.

Deeply.

Or of course all these trolls are the same person.

Nah. Too much variation in their ability to type.

Talking to someone like carico is of course pointless, they are lost in their own hatred and the need to spread their hatred. No matter what you do, they will not remove the log from their own eye before they cast dispersions on another.

Oh, I know. I'm not talking to him, really. Just using him as a sounding board on the off chance that there's someone reading who can be reached.