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Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

Smoke

Done here.
I wonder if South Park is right and Satan is a homosexual. I wonder if Satan is very femanine. Does he dress in women's clothing? Does he wear heals?

(sorry if my stereotyping offends anybody. I don't intend it that way)
It's no more offensive than if somebody were to say, "I wonder if Satan is an Indian. I wonder if Satan is very rude. Does he own a convenience store? Does he worship cows?"
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I think that advocating homosexuality is a sin is about as valid as advocating that certain races are more sinful than others. You may say your religion justifies it. I say, reform your religion.
 

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
obviously, Jeremy, we're going to be seeing this differently.



not if someone asks me for my view on the matter.


"obviously, Jeremy, we're going to be seeing this differently.

My name is Jeremiah, Ayani, and I am glad that I see things differently.
 

Smoke

Done here.
why should people of faith who are opposed to homosexuality as being a spiritually correct mode of existence and identity have to keep quiet or keep their beliefs behind closed doors?

there is a big difference between stating what one believes, vs. cruelly or hatefully acting to hurt another person based on how they feel.
But they rarely stop at stating what they believe. They usually put their beliefs into action, cruelly and hatefully acting to hurt others -- often by political action and almost always by supporting religious leaders who urge such action.

If they would stop at stating what they believe, I'd be more or less content with them. I'd submit, though, that anybody who says they don't harm anybody by stating what they believe has never been a gay child growing up with such people as parents.
 

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
why should people of faith who are opposed to homosexuality as being a spiritually correct mode of existence and identity have to keep quiet or keep their beliefs behind closed doors?

there is a big difference between stating what one believes, vs. cruelly or hatefully acting to hurt another person based on how they feel.

how fair is that in light of gay men and women no longer expecting their own freedom to live, date, identify, and even marry whomever they like to be shut behind closed doors because many find it offensive and wrong?

"why should people of faith who are opposed to homosexuality as being a spiritually correct mode of existence and identity have to keep quiet or keep their beliefs behind closed doors?'

It is wrong because it is done in ignorance, it is unnecessary and it hurts people; despite the best of intentions.

"there is a big difference between stating what one believes, vs. cruelly or hatefully acting to hurt another person based on how they feel."

The difference is one person and that is not much. It is the proliferate of the idea that is the root of the problem and even with good intentions you aid the evil along.
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
It's no more offensive than if somebody were to say, "I wonder if Satan is an Indian. I wonder if Satan is very rude. Does he own a convenience store? Does he worship cows?"

Sorry, what I wrote was probably innappropriate communicated. When I noted the stereotype it was with the intent of acknowledging that it is just a stereotype.

...and then parodying satan who I do not believe in.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Nothing wrong with advocating homosexuality as a sin. Because it is. Where people mess up is stating that you are automatically doomed or that you are a lesser class of person because of homosexuality which simply is not true. Homosexuality is sinful just the same as vanity or gluttony, which most Americans are guilty of one way or the other. The day people learn to accept the fact that it is sin and not a unforgivable sin will be a good day for all.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Nothing wrong with advocating homosexuality as a sin. Because it is. Where people mess up is stating that you are automatically doomed or that you are a lesser class of person because of homosexuality which simply is not true. Homosexuality is sinful just the same as vanity or gluttony, which most Americans are guilty of one way or the other. The day people learn to accept the fact that it is sin and not a unforgivable sin will be a good day for all.

Well that's your opinion. In my opinion, idiocy is a sin. So I guess we're all guilty of something, eh?
 

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
Nothing wrong with advocating homosexuality as a sin. Because it is. Where people mess up is stating that you are automatically doomed or that you are a lesser class of person because of homosexuality which simply is not true. Homosexuality is sinful just the same as vanity or gluttony, which most Americans are guilty of one way or the other. The day people learn to accept the fact that it is sin and not a unforgivable sin will be a good day for all.

"Where people mess up is stating that you are automatically doomed or that you are a lesser class of person because of homosexuality which simply is not true"

No, this is where people mess up; "Because it is." "Because" is not a justifiable reason, to case something as a sin, and is a very brainless position.

"Homosexuality is sinful just the same as vanity or gluttony, which most Americans are guilty of one way or the other. "

Homosexuality is harmless, so how is it "the same" as vanity or gluttony which have clear harmful side-effects? Also, with this comparison here you have exposed your hypocrisy.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
I think it is quite clear that the speaker meant 'according to Christianity', though it was not said specifically.
Well, except for 'because it is', which I agree is not a very well thought statement.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
"Where people mess up is stating that you are automatically doomed or that you are a lesser class of person because of homosexuality which simply is not true"

No, this is where people mess up; "Because it is." "Because" is not a justifiable reason, to case something as a sin, and is a very brainless position.

"Homosexuality is sinful just the same as vanity or gluttony, which most Americans are guilty of one way or the other. "

Homosexuality is harmless, so how is it "the same" as vanity or gluttony which have clear harmful side-effects? Also, with this comparison here you have exposed your hypocrisy.


Butt sechs is a clear harmful side-effect. God intended that orifice to be one-way only, sir. If God puts up the traffic signs, you better obey 'em.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Homosexuality is harmful.
It makes straight women jealous :D

It's harmful to me, at least. My girlfriend is bisexual. This increases the chance of her finding someone more suitable than me. It expands her selection pool by 100%.

Me, on the other hand, am straight. I always get the short end of the stick :(.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
It's harmful to me, at least. My girlfriend is bisexual. This increases the chance of her finding someone more suitable than me. It expands her selection pool by 100%.

Me, on the other hand, am straight. I always get the short end of the stick :(.

I'm going to be a little narcissistic and quote myself.

Sadly, this is the most credible anti-homosexual argument I've seen in this thread.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
It's harmful to me, at least. My girlfriend is bisexual. This increases the chance of her finding someone more suitable than me. It expands her selection pool by 100%.

Me, on the other hand, am straight. I always get the short end of the stick :(.

I can relate!
My boyfriend is bisexual are we are in a -distant- relationship. It's really hard not to get paranoid when you know that most men cheat when they are only temped by half the population.
 
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