Is Jesus Christ God?

[djhwoodwerks]

I think they believe He is Gabriel the Angel. I don't know too much about that part, though. Just their argument and scripture references in regards to Jesus' divinity and how they see it.

The JW's believe that Michael and Jesus are the same. This quote is from their "Reasoning From the Scripture" book.

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At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (RS), the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call,” and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael. Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority? Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. (Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is never found in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one.)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The JW's believe that Michael and Jesus are the same. This quote is from their "Reasoning From the Scripture" book.

*** rs p. 218 par. 2 Jesus Christ ***
At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (RS), the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call,” and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael. Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority? Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. (Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is never found in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one.)

That verse seems to imply that God will come down "with the voice" rather than "as" the arch angel. He will trumpet (or proclaim) for Christ to rise.

I dont see how Jesus as Michael can be extracted from the verse. My personal opinion, no one of Gods creation should be "lesser than" another. However, thats just me...I value equality over heirarchy.

 

[InChrist]

When I say Jesus has the same nature as God (as you state), I am refering to the Father God. Like Sam and Carl who have the same blood, so do Father "and" Son. I have the impression that christians believe Jesus Is the Father which would mean He would be both Father and Son. Scripture doesnt state that. I would say the word God is a noun for traits such as perfection, truth, love, passion and Not a being or person. Rather, each person-Father 'and' So share the same nature (sum the traits=God). Some Christians actually do believe Jesus is the Father. He (both Jesua and His Father) makes a clear distinction between the two.

I just find it odd to say just because they share the same nature (God) they are one and the same person (singular). That makes no sense and I do t find that in scripture.

Does this makes sense?

Thank you for explaining. It does make sense and really helped me understand your thoughts better.

I know that some groups of Christains do believe and teach that the Father and Son are one and the same and that Jesus is both the Son and the Father. I believe this falls under the category of Modalism https://carm.org/modalism and is considered heresy by orthodox historical Christianity. Modalism also denies the triune nature of God. Of course, I realize you also do not believe the Trinity to be true. But I see it as the only biblical and logical answer because, as you said there is a distinction made in the scriptures between the Son and the Father, yet the same scriptures show the same qualities shared by the Son and the Father while at the same time they claim their is only One God. Along with that the Holy Spirit is shown to have Personality and God qualities. The Trinity makes sense to me in that the three Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit comprise One God.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

There are 68 scriptures that say Jesus is the Son of God. When he saysbI am one with God the word one means unity of purpose.

Jesus is God and he was the Son

 

[Isaiah Torres]

The Trinity concept is not in the Bible, Jesus is God is not in the Bible, who cares what Christians believe if its not in the Bible, they're probably making it up.

Jesus is God and I can prove it with the bible!

 

[Isaiah Torres]

It doesn't say Jesus is God anywhere in the Bible. Is that not evidence enough??

Isaiah called him the mighty God in Isaiah 9:6 is that the truth?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

This is a pretty simple way to look at it. The son of a cow is a cow. The son of a dog is a dog. The son of a man is a man. And yhe son of a God is a God. So Jesus is the son of God and that makes Hims a God.

 

[Lyndon]

Jesus called himself the son of Man, so Jesus is a man. When people called him the son of God, he replied that he was the son of Man.

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Jesus called himself the son of Man, so Jesus is a man.

he was the son of man when he was down here on earth because he had on a flesh and blood body which was the son of man but he got rid of that body now he is just spirit and the spirit cant be the son of no man the spirit of Christ is God! and I can prove it with bible

 

[Isaiah Torres]

I am not calling it fiction. I am sayng God chose Jesus to be His representative or talk on His behalf so that whomever believes in Christ is actually believing in His Father. It says Jesus is perfeect govin He and His Father share the same nature (same last name). Its not wrong to say Jesus is not God. There is so mch scripture that says He is not that my only conclusio is many christians dont want to associate with a human--even though God chose Him to share in His Kingdom. I dont get it logically just I get tbeir opinions about it. They are sound, I just dont see scripture correlating with some of tbeir beliefs.

Isaiah called Jesus the mighty God in Isaiah 9:6 is that the truth?

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Jesus called himself the son of Man, so Jesus is a man. When people called him the son of God, he replied that he was the son of Man.

there is bible that Jesus was the son of God which he was but he is just God Almighty now

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The JW's believe that Michael and Jesus are the same. This quote is from their "Reasoning From the Scripture" book.

*** rs p. 218 par. 2 Jesus Christ ***
At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (RS), the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call,” and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael. Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority? Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. (Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is never found in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one.)

I wouldnt put too much stock who your counterparts define as Jesus. I just know how they explain Jesus' divinity is what I agree with. Dont know about the archangel. Dont think it matters unless their destiny is determined by their interpretation of scripture rather than from Christ Himself.

 

[psychoslice]

We are all part of God, everyone of us, Jesus was only a man that realized this truth, when we also realize this truth, then we are also One in God, there is no hierarchy in who is God and who isn't God, everything is God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Isaiah called Jesus the mighty God in Isaiah 9:6 is that the truth?

This is simple. I dont know if you understand me. You dont have to believe me.

The Father and I are One (John 10:30) so they share in the same nature. What is the Father "and" Son's natures: love ( 1 John 4:8), peace, good, just, and so forth.

The Father sends his son (1 John 4:14) not himself to man to be his savior.

Shortest point: Like Father, like Son.

Whatever one does so does thr other. They are not each other.

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That doesnt mean Jesus is not God. He has the characteristics "of his father". You have the characteristics of god just as every other christian or believer.

That doesnt make christians god the father, Jesus includedm

 

[Isaiah Torres]

This is simple. I dont know if you understand me. You dont have to believe me.

The Father and I are One (John 10:30) so they share in the same nature. What is the Father "and" Son's natures: love ( 1 John 4:8), peace, good, just, and so forth.

The Father sends his son (1 John 4:14) not himself to man to be his savior.

Shortest point: Like Father, like Son.

Whatever one does so does thr other. They are not each other.

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That doesnt mean Jesus is not God. He has the characteristics "of his father". You have the characteristics of god just as every other christian or believer.

That doesnt make christians god the father, Jesus includedm

well if Jesus

This is simple. I dont know if you understand me. You dont have to believe me.

The Father and I are One (John 10:30) so they share in the same nature. What is the Father "and" Son's natures: love ( 1 John 4:8), peace, good, just, and so forth.

The Father sends his son (1 John 4:14) not himself to man to be his savior.

Shortest point: Like Father, like Son.

Whatever one does so does thr other. They are not each other.

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That doesnt mean Jesus is not God. He has the characteristics "of his father". You have the characteristics of god just as every other christian or believer.

That doesnt make christians god the father, Jesus includedm

well the bible lets us know that God is the Father so if Jesus is God he is the Father..its not 2 or 3 its 1 and Jesus is that one

 

[Unveiled Artist]

well if Jesus

well the bible lets us know that God is the Father so if Jesus is God he is the Father..its not 2 or 3 its 1 and Jesus is that one

Jesus is not God the Father. He is the God the Son.

Remember in Gen when the Father/Creator created man and said "we- are now pleased." He also says "-we- dont want them (adam and eve) to know good and evil as we do" (context not content please)

There was always a Father "and" a Son.

The Son (not father) became flesh
The son (not father) is a visible "image of" an invisible god (father)
The father "and" son are one


There are a lot of examples.

What is wrong with the father sending his son as a human to die for others so they, through his son be in union with the father? Why is that wrong? How?

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Jesus is not God the Father. He is the God the Son.

Remember in Gen when the Father/Creator created man and said "we- are now pleased." He also says "-we- dont want them (adam and eve) to know good and evil as we do" (context not content please)

There was always a Father "and" a Son.

The Son (not father) became flesh
The son (not father) is a visible "image of" an invisible god
The father "and" son are one


There are a lot of examples.

What is wrong with the father sending his son as a human to die for others so they, through his son be in union with the father? Why is that wrong? How?

when God talks like "we" or "us" it doesn't mean its two because that makes the scriptures contradict which they don't, when God talks like that he is councling with his own will see ephesians 1:11, Jesus is the Father your failing to realize..Jesus was back there in the beginning & the Father was.. now Jesus must be the Father because God sais he was ALONE & by MYSELF

 

[Unveiled Artist]

when God talks like "we" or "us" it doesn't mean its two because that makes the scriptures contradict which they don't, when God talks like that he is councling with his own will see ephesians 1:11, Jesus is the Father your failing to realize..Jesus was back there in the beginning & the Father was.. now Jesus must be the Father because God sais he was ALONE & by MYSELF

Whats wrong with the Father having a son?

 

[Isaiah Torres]

Whats wrong with the Father having a son?

the Father did have a Son and he died on the cross for us im not denying that but Christ is the Father aswell! and your denying that he is the Father..which means Isaiah told a lie? in Isaiah 9:6

 

[Unveiled Artist]

the Father did have a Son and he died on the cross for us im not denying that but Christ is the Father aswell! and your denying that he is the Father..which means Isaiah told a lie? in Isaiah 9:6

I dont believe you can be a father to yourself or son to yourself. I can change my apparance and look like an alian but I wont be my own daughter or my own mother. Likewise, man or spirit, that is still God's son.

I just know the Creator has a son (as you are his son or daughter). He chosen Jesus at his baptism telling folks "this is my son" (a person not just flesh) with whom I am well pleazed.

Saying Jesus is just tthe flesh of god is like saying mary is just a vessel of christ. It belittles that they, Jesus specifcally, are actual people not just flesh. He, in heaven, on earth, and in heaven again will always be the son of his father.

Not two gods. One father. One son. One spirit.