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Is Jesus Christ God?

Muffled

Jesus in me
There are 68 scriptures that say Jesus is the Son of God. When he saysbI am one with God the word one means unity of purpose.

I believe the scripture does not say "unity of purpose." This is simply a false saying of those who do not wish to accept the truth of what was said.

I believe it would not matter if there were a thousand verses because "Son of God" is still a term that men used and Jesus avoided in most cases although He can't categorically deny it. There are also plenty of scriptures that point to the divinity of Jesus and I believe "Son of God" does also.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
John 14:68 The Father is greater than I.

I Corinthians 11:3 The head OT Christ is God.
I Corinthians 15:27 The Son himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him.

I believe that only refers to the state that God is in. God is greater in NYC because there are more people than He is in Topeka, Kansas. That does not mean that God is divided between NYC and Topeka but simply that He is one God in all places. So it is that God in all places is greater than Jesus, God in one body.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I believe the Athanasion creed to be false in its statements about the trinity. It was also rejected at the council of Nicea.
the council of nicea is perpetrator of the false church, the one that promotes idolatry.


the trinity as mentioned by 1 John


1 John 5:8

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It doesn't say Jesus is God anywhere in the Bible. Is that not evidence enough??
But the texts do allude to the Divinity of Christ, most specifically in the resurrection. Nothing, in the biblical world view, that is not Divine can be resurrected.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
the council of nicea is perpetrator of the false church, the one that promotes idolatry.


the trinity as mentioned by 1 John


1 John 5:8

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Exactly like the Constitution is the perpetrator of the false United States of America...
 

outhouse

Atheistically
the trinity as mentioned by 1 John


1 John 5:8

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

That is NOT the trinity

Parallel Commentaries
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

5:6-8 We are inwardly and outwardly defiled; inwardly, by the power and pollution of sin in our nature. For our cleansing there is in and by Christ Jesus, the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Ghost. Some think that the two sacraments are here meant: baptism with water, as the outward sign of regeneration, and purifying from the pollution of sin by the Holy Spirit; and the Lord's supper, as the outward sign of the shedding Christ's blood, and the receiving him by faith for pardon and justification. Both these ways of cleansing were represented in the old ceremonial sacrifices and cleansings. This water and blood include all that is necessary to our salvation. By the water, our souls are washed and purified for heaven and the habitation of saints in light. By the blood, we are justified, reconciled, and presented righteous to God. By the blood, the curse of the law being satisfied, the purifying Spirit is obtained for the internal cleansing of our natures. The water, as well as the blood, came out of the side of the sacrificed Redeemer. He loved the church, and gave himself for it, that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word; that he might present it to himself a glorious church, Eph 5:25-27. This was done in and by the Spirit of God, according to the Saviour's declaration. He is the Spirit of God, and cannot lie. Three had borne witness to these doctrines concerning the person and the salvation of Christ. The Father, repeatedly, by a voice from heaven declared that Jesus was his beloved Son. The Word declared that He and the Father were One, and that whoever had seen him had seen the Father. And the Holy Ghost, who descended from heaven and rested on Christ at his baptism; who had borne witness to Him by all the prophets; and gave testimony to his resurrection and mediatorial office, by the gift of miraculous powers to the apostles. But whether this passage be cited or not, the doctrine of the Trinity in Unity stands equally firm and certain. To the doctrine taught by the apostles, respecting the person and salvation of Christ, there were three testimonies. 1. The Holy Spirit. We come into the world with a corrupt, carnal disposition, which is enmity to God. This being done away by the regeneration and new-creating of souls by the Holy Spirit, is a testimony to the Saviour. 2. The water: this sets forth the Saviour's purity and purifying power. The actual and active purity and holiness of his disciples are represented by baptism. 3. The blood which he shed: and this was our ransom, this testifies for Jesus Christ; it sealed up and finished the sacrifices of the Old Testament. The benefits procured by his blood, prove that he is the Saviour of the world. No wonder if he that rejects this evidence is judged a blasphemer of the Spirit of God. These three witnesses are for one and the same purpose; they agree in one and the same thing.
 

McBell

Unbound
the council of nicea is perpetrator of the false church, the one that promotes idolatry.


the trinity as mentioned by 1 John


1 John 5:8

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
I wonder why Augustine never used that verse to push his Trinity belief?
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Let's review this one more time. There is a family named "Jones". In this family are a father named Sam and a son named Joe. Sam and Joe a two separate "persons" but both are "Jones." There is another family named "God." In this family are a father and a son. The father and son are two separate "persons" but both are "God". This should be so easy for people to see but Satan has clouded so many minds that they ignore this simple idea. The father and son are two different "beings" but both together make up God just like Sam and Joe are two different beings that make up "Jones." Most people think of the Father as God but he is only one part of God. There is still only one God just like there is one Jones family.
The Bible doesn't say God is a family. It says "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." (Deuteronomy 6:4)
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
The Bible says people have the power to become God's children. That sounds like a family even if the Bible does not use the word family.Jesus is the son of the father. That sounds like a family also.
 

outhouse

Atheistically


One need to remember as well, Mark the gospel the other two plagiarized, had almost nothing on the resurrection originally.


It was not important to many early communities. I believe we see a evolution of a spiritual resurrection to that of a plagiarized physical resurrection to create a divinity to compete against the Emperor who was first "son of god"
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
But the texts do allude to the Divinity of Christ, most specifically in the resurrection. Nothing, in the biblical world view, that is not Divine can be resurrected.

Colossians 3:11

Christ is all and in all.

John 21:15 feed my lambs = christs = arnion


never judge a book by it's cover.


2 Corinthians 3:3
forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the book(epistle) of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.


blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is blasphemy against the self.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I wonder why Augustine never used that verse to push his Trinity belief?


you have three aspects

the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit.

The creator, the destroyer, and the preserver.

Energy is neither Brahma, nor necessarily Shiva, but become some form of Vishnu. Vishnu is the protector.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Let's review this one more time. There is a family named "Jones". In this family are a father named Sam and a son named Joe. Sam and Joe a two separate "persons" but both are "Jones." There is another family named "God." In this family are a father and a son. The father and son are two separate "persons" but both are "God". This should be so easy for people to see but Satan has clouded so many minds that they ignore this simple idea. The father and son are two different "beings" but both together make up God just like Sam and Joe are two different beings that make up "Jones." Most people think of the Father as God but he is only one part of God. There is still only one God just like there is one Jones family.

Adam is called "son of God", in the same family; the Angels are called "Sons of God." Does that make them, "God"?
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
The question asked was "is Jesus God"? The answer is that Jesus is part of the God family. It does not matter who else is in that family. The Bible says the men have the power to become God's children so there will be many more members someday. But none of that stops Jesus from being God along with His father.
 
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