Is Jesus Eternal?

[DNB]

Eternal, by definition, is that which lasts forever; without beginning and without end.

Jesus was born. We know this because his birth is celebrated on this day every year by Christians worldwide.

I've also heard it said that Jesus is eternal. Is this possible? If His beginning is celebrated each year, he obviously has a beginning. So how is it possible that Jesus is eternal?

You answered it yourself: if Jesus was born in Bethlehem around 6-5 BC, how is it possible that he's internal - HE'S NOT!!!
Although the eternality of the son is a fundamental tenet in mainstream Christianity, I, as a Christian, vehemently denounce it as a blasphemous and diabolical heresy.
His life, his atonement, his obedience and perfection, are utterly meaningless when one ascribes deity or eternality to Jesus Christ - his exemplary life, devotion and love for God is worship worthy only because he was a human.

 

[DNB]

If you believe Jesus is the Word then yes, John 1 says the Word is God and as God is eternal so must the Word be.

...are there not viable, alternative interpretations of that text?

 

[DNB]

This is just your biased reading thereof. There are real theological considerations here. We see this in the Church Fathers and pre-Constantine writings, the Apostolic Fathers. We see this in Clement, Shepherd of Hermas etc.

But, nonsense is nonsense, bad hermeneutics is just bad hermeneutics. The council members at Nicaea did not even understand their own convoluted and implausible conclusion, let alone any trinitarian apologist to this day.
In other words, regardless of the intent or acumen present at Nicaea, proper Biblical exegesis is still proper exegesis, and a heresy is still a heresy - decide for yourself the Biblical attestation of the trinity, and the wisdom - devoid of both!

 

[rational experiences]

Eternal, by definition, is that which lasts forever; without beginning and without end.

Jesus was born. We know this because his birth is celebrated on this day every year by Christians worldwide.

I've also heard it said that Jesus is eternal. Is this possible? If His beginning is celebrated each year, he obviously has a beginning. So how is it possible that Jesus is eternal?

O earth born as rock fused in space womb.
Earths gases born in space womb cooling pressures.

Fused earth crystalline said science.
Earths gases cold clear belonging to rock..
Science.

The space womb eternal always forever a law only. The mother of God coldest. Man's wisdom acknowledged natural.

You can misuse the one meaning of any word by choice.

Man said the eternal space womb law is the saviour inheritance of all highest greatest bodies within it.

Coldest.

What eternal law was first taught as.

Theist men misquote mind used abused the knowledge what is eternal.

As bio life on earth. After ice age.

Animal bio red celled ironstone stability.

Stable status. Non nuclear theisms.

Nuclear theory outlawed...Jesus reference. Why men sacrificed life on earth.

As no machine owns eternal law.

As a machine is gained by artificial choice human alchemical satanisms.

Also already notified aware taught reason.

To theme eternal in science wants to get it attack it convert it destroy it.

The warning men owned no intention of honouring law of eternal.

Men taught CH gas spirit is not contained.

It's not held in a gold or silver or metal or jewel of earth. Container.

They said eternal life was held in clay.

As clay owns biologies minerals locked within it. A humans scientific teaching explanation only. Space law womb the eternal owned clays existence. As clay is one whole substance.

As only living humans define clay. Or teach clay owns the minerals of bio life versus alchemist dust scientists.

Life they said biology came from clay owning minerals into water not dusts as minerals. A human scientific argument review only. Comparisons.

Theism arguments were every status. By human men versus human men of machine satanic thesis star sciences are for the machine.

They pretended a star thesis was about biology lying.

A star in eternal law is only a star.

A human in eternal law a human.

If a monkey was a human god it's life body is healthiest highest first. As a human is healthier higher than the highest greatest life form a monkey.

Satanists tried to claim the sickest monkey life owned human life.

Gods eternal law says a sick monkey today is the same as a sick monkey of the past.

 

[paarsurrey]

Eternal, by definition, is that which lasts forever; without beginning and without end.

Jesus was born. We know this because his birth is celebrated on this day every year by Christians worldwide.

I've also heard it said that Jesus is eternal. Is this possible? If His beginning is celebrated each year, he obviously has a beginning. So how is it possible that Jesus is eternal?

I agree with one, (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never claimed to be eternal, if some Hellenist Paulian aka " Christian" holds this concept, he is to quote from Yeshua in this connection in the first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner, please, right?
Regards

Are you saying the author of the gospel of John was Pauline? John 1:1 clearly identifies the Logos as eternal, which is identified later as becoming incarnate as Jesus in verse 14. Also, John has Jesus say "Before Abraham was, I AM," which is clear identification with the name of God used to Moses. So, John certainly had this idea of Jesus as the eternal manifestation of God in his mind as he wrote his gospel.

" John 1:1, John1:14 "
One utterly failed to quote from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah as required in the first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner that he was eternal, please, didn't one, please? :

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Right?

Regards

 

[Windwalker]

" John 1:1, John1:14, John 8:58 "
One utterly failed to quote from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah as required in the first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner that he was eternal, please, didn't one, please? :

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Right?

Regards

Right, what? You didn't say anything. That was a quote from Jesus, according to John. Does seeing it in red letter make it real? Okay then. 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am. A direct quote from your link. Does that help?

 

[rational experiences]

In men of temple theist star science.

Men humans said sun was RA...so AB...RA...H..AM.

Not I am. Proof.

Before a sun. Light burning mass.

Was earths God.

Rock in space law is before a burning consuming sun.

It's highest space law unto itself as it's not sun star history.

Theists claim a sun becomes a dead rock at its end.

Planet...
Earth not a sun is living.

Compared I formation.
Informed.

Before a sun is rock. In law.
Before a Sun was earths immaculate gases.

The sun in cosmic star law had attacked origin laws. The sun converted earths mass. The sun converted earths immaculate.

Men said therefore as earth is still by four sea son unstable. It's still.flooding. Theists as men of science are proven legally human liars.

Science the human only practice had been outlawed.

How many more times do you need to be told? Science is a human practice only...your thoughts and your calculations did not invent created presence.

You however believe your stories own why anything exists.

Sun theism outlawed as the sun had converted earths owned origin in eternal laws.

 

[SalixIncendium]

And Lakshmi was born. We know this because many associate that birth with the Diwali Festival of Lights.

And I was born. We know this because many associate that birth with my birthday.

Others might suggest that "we know because many believe" might be a less than convincing proclamation.

Certainly. But how is this relevant to the thread?

 

[PearlSeeker]

John 1 does not say that Jesus was an incarnation of God, that is just what some people believe it means, but it cannot mean that since all the other Bible verses show that Jesus was not God incarnate, and Jesus never claimed to be God.

Jesus is not God Bible verses

John 1 says that the Word incarnated (and the Word was God and the agent of all creation).

Some Bible verses imply subordinationism but lesser God is still God before all creation (pre-existence). Mainstream trinitarians interpret such verses as "kenosis" - he "emptied" himself to become human like one of us...

 

[muhammad_isa]

As I said, that's not what John meant. If it was, then why would the Jews have picked up stones to put him to death for blasphemy?

There are numerous examples today of people claiming to be messiah's with authority, and being imprisoned or sentenced to death..

 

[muhammad_isa]

God allowed resurrected Jesus to be visible..

..or Jesus was mistakenly believed to have died on the cross..

 

[muhammad_isa]

You think all souls also didn't have a beginning? I agree we all have no end.

I think that I don't know what "I was" before I came to be in this world .. it is hidden from me.

 

[muhammad_isa]

If you just want to just jettison that gospel, then of course that changes Christian views about Christ. Heck, if you through the whole Bible into the garbage, then you may as well just believe in Osiris..

Arian Christians believe that Jesus' highest teachings are contained in the New Testament in Jesus' own words as reported by the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke (The Arian Christian Bible). The namesake of these beliefs, St Arius of Alexandria, rejected the politically generated divinity of Jesus that was imposed by the Council of Nicaea, which was convened at the behest of Roman Emperor Constantine I in 325 AD. The purpose of this Council was to bring the structure of the Christian Church into conformity with the structure of the Roman Empire as the State Religion, that is; one religion, the Catholic (universal) Church; one theology, the Holy Trinity; and one religious leader, the Pope, and to form a basis for the suppression of other brands of Christianity.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Arian-Christian-Bible-Matthew-Mark/dp/1452839557

You changed the wording of it, trying to make that passage say something other than the context supported.

I did not .. John 10:36

It is just that you interpret "son of God" as meaning God..
..in any case, the fact that John is a part of the Bible canon,
has no weight .. it was chosen to be in the canon for very good reason. The so-called Arius controversy, happens around the same time .. just coincidence?

I made that comment thinking of those who take the Quran as a flawless book direct from God. It's not different that Christian biblical innerentists..

..except that the Bible is not claimed to be a direct revelation from God.. It has multiple authors, some anonymous.

Nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about. Yes, it starts deliberately touching on Genesis 1:1, but is it to bridge the gap of understanding between Jewish and Hellenistic thought, exactly as I said. It is not at all a rewrite of the Genesis myth. It's a starting point to talk about Jesus..

Yes "a starting point" .. it makes Jesus into the Creator... implies God.

 

[dybmh]

Yeah, but that was dreamt up by goy, sitting around a table.

Please don't use the word goy as a pejorative.

 

[dybmh]

Every time you use the word goy in an inappropriate manner - which is every time you’ve used it in recent memory - someone should tell you to shut up.

Consider it said.

Thank you!

 

[muhammad_isa]

Please don't use the word goy as a pejorative.

Several authors have opined on whether the word is derogatory. Dan Friedman, executive director of The Forward in "What 'Goy' Means, And Why I Keep Using It" writes that it can be used as an insult but that the word is not offensive. He compares it to the word "foreigners" which Americans can use dismissively but which isn't a derogatory word. Similarly, Jews for Racial and Economic Justice (JFREJ) has stated that "goy" is "Not an insult, just kinda sounds like it."
Goy - Wikipedia

I was using the "expression" in a light-hearted manner..
I do not imply that anybody in particular is an idiot etc.

 

[dybmh]

They do..
Perhaps you could inform us how to use it appropriately.


73 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! God is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God...
— Qur'an The Table Spread ---

To be appropriate, don't use it as a slur. If your intention is to call someone, or a group, ignorant, then go ahead and say what you mean. Or even better, quote your own scritpure and use arabic to insult people.

 

[dybmh]

Several authors have opined on whether the word is derogatory. Dan Friedman, executive director of The Forward in "What 'Goy' Means, And Why I Keep Using It" writes that it can be used as an insult but that the word is not offensive. He compares it to the word "foreigners" which Americans can use dismissively but which isn't a derogatory word. Similarly, Jews for Racial and Economic Justice (JFREJ) has stated that "goy" is "Not an insult, just kinda sounds like it."
Goy - Wikipedia

I was using the "expression" in a light-hearted manner..
I do not imply that anybody in particular is an idiot etc.

Your comment wasn't a compliment, wasn't neutral... there's only one other option.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

..or Jesus was mistakenly believed to have died on the cross..

I'm sure you are not alone in the ^ above^ thinking, but who at that time frame denied Jesus lived and died.
What secular person wrote it was Not true that Jesus was executed by the Romans.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

....................I did not .. John 10:36. It is just that you interpret "son of God" as meaning God.. ..in any case, the fact that John is a part of the Bible canon,
has no weight .. it was chosen to be in the canon for very good reason. The so-called Arius controversy, happens around the same time .. just coincidence?
..except that the Bible is not claimed to be a direct revelation from God.. It has multiple authors, some anonymous.
Yes "a starting point" .. it makes Jesus into the Creator... implies God.

I agree with you how Jesus truthfully answered as to who he is at John 10:36 that he is God's Son.
Even the angels apparently agree with you at Luke 1:35 that Jesus would be God's Son.

Yes, I find according to 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is a direct revelation from God because God being the Bible's Author.
So, Not multiple authors but rather multiple secretaries. Bible writers wrote down God's thoughts as a secretary writes down the boss's thoughts.
I am curious as to why which Bible book you say the writer is anonymous ___________