Is Jesus God?

[JM2C]

The Word was God.

PS : katiemygirl, Katzpur is correct. I am an adult convert to the LDS / Mormon theological model. I used to have this designation under my avatar but never re-entered it when the forum database changed.

Clear is a Mormon but he is supporting the NWT of John 1:1 “and the word was a god”

Regarding the translation of John 1:1 : I hope the Jehovah’s witnesses and other readers interested understood that the NWT translation of this phrase is perfectly legitimate. Once this point was been made, and unless there is actually any NEW and legitimate data to discuss, the issue is a dead horse.

Clear

Wow! How do you explain this?

 

[outhouse]

What is atheists?

A group of people just like you.

Atheist discount gods.

You discount all of the thousands of man made gods people have created. The only difference between you and me, is I discount one more of them, out of the thousands you discount.

 

[JM2C]

You don't know what atheists are?

Explain it to me please

 

[outhouse]

otherwise you won’t say that “there is plenty of evidence in the NT for Jesus divinity”.

Divinity is a speculative word, and mortal men were given divinity. It does not make him a god. many mortal men were given divinity.

Divinity applied to mortals - qualities of individuals who are considered to have some special access or relationship to the divine.

 

[nothead]

You need to quit commenting on things you know nothing about.

There is no evidence for any early Hebrew text. Its why you have nothing to back up your apologetic position.

Nehemiah Gordon refutes you, with Shem Tov Matthew as well as fragments still extant of very early Jerusalem gospel. Remember Jesus said to go to the Jews first.

"The Hebrew Gospel of Mathew," Nehemiah Gordon.

 

[nothead]

I’m aware of the title of this thread. It’s “Is Jesus God?”. We could always start in John 1:1 if you want so that we could see who belongs to God and who belongs to the devil.

Your interpretation of John's Prologue is highly suspect although it is shared by later ECF'S.

 

[JM2C]

Nehemiah Gordon refutes you, with Shem Tov Matthew as well as fragments still extant of very early Jerusalem gospel. Remember Jesus said to go to the Jews first.

"The Hebrew Gospel of Mathew," Nehemiah Gordon.

What are you doing here?

 

[nothead]

I’m aware of the title of this thread. It’s “Is Jesus God?”. We could always start in John 1:1 if you want so that we could see who belongs to God and who belongs to the devil.

JisG and Trins are cult, in the derogatory sense. LATER paradigms built upon Greek speculations.

Jesus never said he was God. No man has therefore the right or privilege to say this.

 

[Katzpur]

That is your safest bet if you use faith to guide your education and knowledge on these topics.

These debate areas are to, guess what! debate concepts. And debating requires knowledge on a subject, because different opinion offer little value.

I have more passion for these topics then most do, so I study. It breaks my heart when some theist close their minds to credible knowledge, knowing so little to start with, and refuse education and knowledge. Many are good people.

When you have a topic like "Is Jesus God?" in the "Scriptural Debates" forum, the whole idea is to debate the topic using the scriptures as your source. If the same topic were in the "General Debates" forum, you might have a point.

But yes if you want to proselytize your faith, the same faith section is the place to go when you debate with no credible evidence.[/QUOTE]In nearly ten years on RF, I have yet to be accused of proselytizing (that is, before now).

All I'm saying is that in looking at the OP and the forum it's in, it is clear to me (if not to you) that the intent of the thread was to debate -- from a scriptural perspective -- whether the man, Jesus of Nazareth, was truly God or just a good man preaching a good message. I am assuming that the OP was thinking of "scriptures" as meaning The Bible specifically and was asking whether people who believe the Bible to be the word of God can see evidence there that Jesus is, in fact, God, or not. When it comes right down to it, there is no provable "evidence" outside of the Bible to either prove or disprove Jesus' divinity, so your "knowledge" and my "opinion" are on equal ground here.

 

[Katzpur]

Explain it to me please

Why? You know what an atheist is as well as I do.

 

[nothead]

What are you doing here?

Being a bee in your bonnet? Just guessing.

 

[JM2C]

JisG and Trins are cult, in the derogatory sense. LATER paradigms built upon Greek speculations.

Jesus never said he was God. No man has therefore the right or privilege to say this.

You are talking about the rcc. Not part of that group

 

[JM2C]

Being a bee in your bonnet? Just guessing.

You don't belong here man. We have enough unitarians here to deal with

 

[outhouse]

"The Hebrew Gospel of Mathew," Nehemiah Gordon.

Gospel of Matthew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



nowhere does the author claim to have been an eyewitness to events, and Matthew's Greek "reveals none of the telltale marks of a translation

The consensus is that Papias does not describe the Gospel of Matthew as we know it, and it is generally accepted that Matthew was written in Greek, not Aramaic or Hebrew.[17]

Nehemiah Gordon refutes you

No he doesn't. he guesses and is wrong, and is not accepted by the consensus I happen to belong to.

 

[outhouse]

You don't belong here man. We have enough unitarians here to deal with

He is as welcome here as anyone.

YOU don't get to boss people around.

 

[JM2C]

Divinity is a speculative word, and mortal men were given divinity. It does not make him a god. many mortal men were given divinity.

Divinity applied to mortals - qualities of individuals who are considered to have some special access or relationship to the divine.

Give us an example or a verse of the Lord Jesus divinity in the NT

 

[JM2C]

He is as welcome here as anyone.

YOU don't get to boss people around.

We are just joking cause I know or I debated this guy from the other thread. you need to relax man. watch your bp

 

[outhouse]

Shem Tov Matthew as well as fragments still extant of very early Jerusalem gospel.

It really helps if you know what your debating here.

1380-85 is not an early fragment.

Scholars who support these hypotheses sometimes appeal to these 3 medieval Hebrew manuscripts. However, the vast majority of scholars believe Matthew was originally written in Greek

 

[JM2C]

It really helps if you know what your debating here.

1380-85 is not an early fragment.

Scholars who support these hypotheses sometimes appeal to these 3 medieval Hebrew manuscripts. However, the vast majority of scholars believe Matthew was originally written in Greek

why you can't keep up with him?

 

[nothead]

What is you interpretation or how do you understand John 1:1? Is the “Word was God” or an “a god”?

The Word was Theos, no definite article. The awkwardness is due to English translation. The Word is The God, would be closer to saying the Word is God, or a mathematical equivalence, convertible.

The Word is (less specific, or qualitatively "God" or divine) in the sense that it is God's Word. The Word OF God, in other words.